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| Lovely.One Quote | Reply | | FWs and veils posted on: 6/20/2005 9:09:35 AM I have been watching and observing, Goreans within the lands of Halsoft. Over a long period of time. When I first started observing I found a lot of FW's wore veils, but as time has passed less and less are veiled. And those who are veiled, not all but most are wearing ones that show their faces anyways. So what’s the point. I was just wondering is this a new trend in Halsoft. I am not bashing any of the FW's here. Tis just something that I have seen become more and more common. Lays a flower at the boards, then makes my way back down the long paths in Gor. |
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Esoteric
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replied on: 6/20/2005 11:33:49 AM There are many reasons you may be seeing FW unveiled, the main reason being the city or area where they reside may not have a veiling law. By the books there were several cities where veils were more protocol than law, including Ar. Helmutsport does not require veils, neither does Ko-ro-ba to name a few. Another reason could be that you are spying FW who have retired to their own personal chambers where it is unlikely a FW would remain veiled. You may even be spotting the occasional OOC FW, which personally I feel the Gor and FW reference should be removed alleviating some confusion when one chooses to be OOC in a Gorean name. It's hard to say for sure but be assured there are many valid and acceptable reasons why FW would not be veiled. |
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Dove
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replied on: 6/20/2005 11:58:54 AM Personally I am only unveiled in two places...a non roleplay room within My home or My own personal chambers. Other than that I wear a veil always and Mine are not see through. If a woman is suppose to be veiled via the laws of her city/town or home then the only place she should have a thin veil on is within her own home. If her city requires veils then they should be opaque and most would wear more than one opaque veil in the books so it wouldnt be see through in any way. |
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Allova
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replied on: 6/20/2005 1:58:23 PM And yet another thought is maybe they are advertising, for an FC or a Owner??smiles.....The lack of veils ( when they are required for RP ) do not bother me as much as them showing everything else, shoulders, breasts. I wish you all a nice day. |
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Esoteric
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replied on: 6/20/2005 2:11:46 PM Hey no picking on my cleavage! -whimpers- LOL Just kidding, I'm not a FW so it doesn't count. -winks- The problem with FW going unveiled in private chambers, even in cities where veils are required, is that people tend to IM with nasty comments about her lack of decorum (apparently not paying attention to the room she's in) yet if FW went PR everytime they wanted to go rest in their chambers then they'd be considered a whore because as everyone knows -dripping sarcasm- any FW in PR must be cybering eh? pffttt So it's really important I think for people to make note of someone's location before deriding them on their choice of attire, but that is only where veils are concerned. I think if you carry Gor and/or FW in your ID then you should always keep your body covered, including (and especially) the aforementioned breasts and shoulders. |
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ll-Beast.Blade-ll
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replied on: 6/20/2005 2:37:58 PM The free women of the north did not wear veils, nor did the women of the wagon people. So culture also plays a important part in what a woman would wear. I agree with Erin, it helps to note where the person is sitting and where they are from before questioning thier attire. |
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Allova
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replied on: 6/20/2005 5:35:25 PM We could most likely name alot that did not wear veils, yet were FW...Rencers, FW from the Barrens, ect. So location and the home of the FW would play alot into it as said. Even some FW ( just cause I do not care of it lol ) even wore skimpy clothes. Gor has varity and choice as far as RP. |
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ll-Beast.Blade-ll
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replied on: 6/20/2005 6:04:27 PM I have never read of a free woman being clad in skimpy garments Allova. They may not have worn veils in all locations but they did do thier best to cover most of thier bodies. Only exceptions as I recall would be working garments. Maybe this will be of some help, is research I had done sometime ago. COMMON DRESS FOR FREE WOMEN OF THE SOUTH Robes of Concealment Undergown - a white under dress, sleeveless, diaphanous, floor length, resembling a Greek chiton, and split to the waist at the sides. Overdress - the overdress is normally of heavy brocade, high collared, box pleated from the shoulders, stiff with jewels and pearls, shimmering with ornate embroidery and often closed down the front with Frog-type fasteners. Hood - the head is covered normally by a hood, which may be fur-lined or trimmed, and to which the veils are normally pinned with ornate, jeweled pins. Gloves - the hands are gloved, usually in white Veils - there are normally five veils worn. For Free Companionship Ceremonies and other formal occasions, the number may be increased to up to eight. The five common veils are known as: The first, or outermost veil is waist length, and normally of brocade to match the outer gown. It is called the Street Veil. The second veil, beneath the Street Veil is called the House Veil. It is also waist length, and of a lightweight brocade, and may be of a contrasting color to the Street Veil. Third is the opaque white Pride Veil, which hangs to just below the breasts. Fourth is the Freedom Veil, sheer and hanging to just below the collar bone. Lastly is the chin length, wispy modesty veil. Alternative Work Dress for Southern Free Women "She wore a full, beige skirt, the hem of which fell to within some six inches of the ground, and slim, high, black-leather boots, a beige blouse, and a beige jacket, belted, which fell to her thighs; too, she wore a loose hood, attached to the jacket by hooks, of matching beige material, and an opaque veil, also of beige material. Such garments, far less formal than the common attire of the Gorean free woman, are sometimes worn by rich women in the supervision and inspection of certain sorts of holdings, such as orchards, fields, ranches and vineyards. They constitute, for such women, so to speak, a habit for work." Fighting Slave of Gor, page 232 "Free women, drinking, commonly lift their veil, or veils, with the left hand. Low-caste free women, if veiled, usually do the same. Sometimes, however, particularly if they are in public, they will drink through their veil, or veils. Sometimes, of course, free women will drink unveiled, even with guests. Much depends upon how well the individuals are known, and who is present. In their homes, of course, with only the members of their families present, or servants and slaves, most free women do not veil themselves, even those of high caste." Fighting Slave, page 276 COMMON DRESS FOR WOMEN OF THE TAHARI "The haik, black, covers the woman from head to toe. At the eyes, there is a tiny bit of black lace, through which she may see. On her feet were soft, black, nonheeled slippers, with curled toes; they were decorated with a line of silver thread." Tribesmen of Gor, page 44 COMMON DRESS FOR WOMEN OF THE NORTH "In the northern cities, and in the forest towns, and northward on the coast the woman do not veil themselves, as is common in the cities to the south." Marauders of Gor, page 25 "Her hair was hung in a snood of scarlet yarn, bound with filaments of golden wire. She wore, over her shoulder, a cape of white fur of the northern sea sleen. She had a scarlet vest, embroidered in gold, worn over a long-sleeved blouse of white wool, from distant Ar. She wore, too, a long woolen skirt, dyed red, which was belted with black, with a buckle of gold, wrought in Cos. She wore shoes of black, polished leather, which folded about her ankles, laced twice, once across the instep, once about the ankle." Marauders of Gor, page 25 "She was very lovely and attractive in her hunting costume, brief tunic and long hose, brown, a scarlet cape and cap, the cap with a feather. She carried a short, yellow bow, of Ka-la-na wood, which could clear the saddle of the tharlarion, its missile being easily released to either side. Her black boots, slick and shining were spurred. A quiver of arrows, yellow, was at the left of her saddle." Beasts of Gor, page 111 Free Woman of Torvaldsland...... "The free woman was a tall woman, large. She wore a great cape of fur, of white sea-sleen, thrown back to reveal the whiteness of her arms. Her kirtle was of the finest wool of Ar, dyed scarlet, with black trimmings. She wore two broaches, both carved of the horn of a kailiauk, mounted in gold. At her waist she wore a jeweled scabbard, protruding from which I saw the ornamented, twisted blade of a Turian dagger; free women of Torvaldsland commonly carry a knife; at her belt too, hung her scissors, and a ring of many keys, indicating that her hall contained many chests or doors; her hair was worn high, wrapped about a comb, matching the broaches, of the horn of kailiauk ; the fact that her hair was worn dressed indicated that she stood in companionship; the number of her keys, together with the scissors, indicated that she was mistress of a great house. She had gray eyes; her hair was dark; her face was cold and harsh.." Marauders of Gor, page 156 COMMON DRESS OF TUCHUK WOMEN "Tuchuk women, unveiled, in their long leather dresses, long hair bound in braids, tended cooking pots hung on tem-wood tripods over dung fires. These women were unscarred, but like the bosk themselves, each wore a nose ring." Nomads of Gor, page 27 The women of the Wagon Peoples do not wear veils, but do wear thin gold rings in Their noses. They may not wear silk, but for the most part wear long leather dresses; or long leather skirts slit up the right side to allow for ease of movement, and riding on kaiila. With that They wear a sleeveless leather blouse, a cape to protect from the elements, and soft, tanned hide boots. Their hair is most often braided. COMMON DRESS FOR ALAR WOMEN A nomadic wandering herdspeople well known for their skill with the axe and the Alar sword, they travel in wagons in the northern plains, but tend to camp near settlements, unlike the southern wagon people. Their Free women do not wear veils, rather simple, corded, belted, woolen, plain, widely sleeved, ankle-length dresses, tied snugly. There are few slaves in the Alar camps because they are killed by Free women. The Alars tend to be fair in complexion, blonde-haired and blue-eyed. Mercenaries of Gor, pages 43, 45, 47, 48, 50 and 72 |
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Esoteric
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replied on: 6/20/2005 6:19:02 PM Rencer women, if I recall, were dressed pretty simply. Nothing too covered. FW of the plains were in leather (makes ya think of Ds Mistresses LOL) and not overly concerned with skin showing. She urts, technically FW, were at times barely covered at all. I think this thread really brings home the importance of understanding all Gorean cultures. And the only way to really do that is by reading the books, all of them. And important to remember that a FW would likely dress to accomodate the area she was in when travelling. So a FW of the plains or the rencers would likely cover herself if visiting another city. |
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Allova
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replied on: 6/20/2005 7:33:38 PM Rencer FW Beast lol....sorry |
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ll-Beast.Blade-ll
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replied on: 6/20/2005 7:52:34 PM ~chuckles~ Well as you might recall I was doing this long ago, I went to a woman known as Vel asking about the women of the Kassar and if there were any book references I could use. What is posted is the info I managed to get at the time. I over looked the Rencer as no one at that time was even considering roleplaying them to be honest. I will however dig into the book and add them to the page I have these listed on. |
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_Phoebe
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replied on: 6/20/2005 10:55:03 PM If I may offer this excerpt? : Or perhaps one should say, simply, there was Elizabeth. Elizabeth, besides speaking boldly out on a large number of delicate civic, social and political issues, usually not regarded as the province of the fairer sex, categorically refused to wear the cumbersome robes of concealment traditionally expected of the free woman. She still wore the brief, exciting leather of a Tuchuk wagon girl and, when striding the high bridges, her hair in the wind, she attracted much attention, not only, obviously, from the men, but from women, both slave and free. Once a slave girl bumped into her on one of the bridges and struck at her, thinking she was only slave, but Elizabeth, with a swift blow of her small fist, downed the girl, and managed to seize one ankle and prevent her from tumbling from the bridge. "Slave!" cried the girl. At this point Elizabeth hit her again, almost knocking her once more from the bridge. Then, when they had their hands in one another's hair, kicking, the slave girl suddenly stopped, terrified, not seeing the gleaming, narrow band of steel locked on Elizabeth's throat. "Where is your collar?" she stammered. "What collar?" asked Elizabeth, her fists clenched in the girl's hair. "The collar," repeated the girl numbly. "I'm free," said Elizabeth. Suddenly the girl howled and fell to her knees before Elizabeth, kneeling trembling to the whip. "Forgive me, Mistress," she cried. "Forgive me!" When one who is slave strikes a free person the penalty is not infrequently death by impalement, preceded by lengthy torture. "Oh, get up!" said Elizabeth irritably, jerking the poor girl to her feet. They stood there looking at one another. "After all," said Elizabeth, "why should it be only slave girls who are comfortable and can move freely?" "Aren't you slave?" asked one of the men nearby, a warrior, looking closely. Elizabeth slapped him rather hard and he staggered back, "No, I am not," she informed him. He stood there rubbing his face, puzzled. A number of people had gathered about, among them several free women. "If you are free," said one of them, "you should be ashamed of yourself, being seen on the bridges so clad." "Well," said Elizabeth, "if you like walking around wrapped up in blankets, you are free to do so." "Shameless!" cried the free girl. "You probably have ugly legs," said Elizabeth. "I do not!" retorted the girl. "Don't choke on your veil," advised Elizabeth. "I am really beautiful!" cried the free girl. "I doubt it," said Elizabeth. "I am!" she cried. "Well then," said Elizabeth, "what are you ashamed of?" Then Elizabeth strode to her and, to the girl's horror, on one of the public high bridges, face-stripped her. The girl screamed but no one came to her aid, and Elizabeth spun her about, peeling off layers of Robes of Concealment until, in a heavy pile of silk, brocade, satin and starched muslin the girl stood in a sleeveless, rather brief orange tunic, attractive, of a sort sometimes worn by free women in the privacy of their own quarters. The girl stood there, wringing her hands and wailing. The slave girl had backed off, looking as though she might topple off the bridge in sheer terror. Elizabeth regarded the free woman. "Well," she said, "you are rather beautiful, aren't you?" The free woman stopped wailing. "Do you think so?" she asked. "Twenty gold pieces, I'd say," appraised Elizabeth. "I'd give twenty-three," said one of the men watching, the same fellow whom Elizabeth had slapped. In fury the free woman turned about and slapped him again, it not being his day in Ko-ro-ba. "I don't suppose an exalted free woman like yourself," said Elizabeth, "drinks Ka-la-na?" "Of course I do," said Relia. "Well," said Elizabeth, turning to me, who had been standing there, as flabbergasted as any on the bridge, "we shall have some." She looked at me. "You there," she said, "a coin for Ka-la-na." Dumbfounded I reached in my pouch and handed her a coin; a silver Tarsk. Elizabeth then took Relia by one arm and Rena by the other. "We are off," she announced, "to buy a bottle of wine." "Wait," I said, "I'll come along." "No, you will not," she said, with one foot kicking Relia's discarded Robes of Concealment from the bridge. "You," she announced, "are not welcome." Then, arm in arm, the three girls started off down the bridge. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ a more unique than rare situation ~ but there are always exceptions to the rule !! I wish you well, Phoebe |
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replied on: 6/21/2005 8:41:23 AM A number of unique situations indeed. I can't help but think how this scenario would have ended in our roleplay or on the boards, if in fact it would have went that far. I don't wish to take from Allova's thread so I'm just going to ponder out loud... - for whatever reason, a slave strikes what she thought was another slave - a warrior gets slapped by a free woman in public, not once but twice - the brazen display of status, respect and tolerance of a free woman, though clad only as a barbarian which those she encountered may or may not have been aware of - one free woman face stripping and undressing another in public, for no justifyable reason other than to verify her claim of being pretty - then the free woman, whom they may know to be a barbarian or not, goes to buy a bottle of wine, arm in arm with a slave and a free woman - a free woman puts a man in his place, in public, for wanting to join them |
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Miette
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replied on: 6/21/2005 8:42:35 AM A great excerpt, Phoebe. There isn't a lot of reference to the clothing worn by peasants except for it's simplicity. Most low caste women only having a limited number of veils and the labor they are required to do, making more than that very cumbersome I imagine. When in mixed company, I find it much more comfortable to wear veils, even around close male friends, but when I am working in the field alone or the kitchen or in chambers, I definitely remove it for comfort and ease. As I said, I think we have to take what we know about Gor and adapt it to common sense and our own individual personalities. Mie |
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replied on: 6/24/2005 1:27:44 AM Depends where in Gor a FW would be, some area' they do not wear Veils but the girls do. Bila Huruma |
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