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| -l-XJubeiX-l- Quote | Reply | | Cross Chats, my view posted on: 8/3/2005 12:45:23 AM I have given this much thought. Now I will make my stance known. I have seen the discussions over and over about cross chat venue role play, and I will state, that I cannot allow such to happen in Ar. This is not to say that one chat venue is better then another. This is not to say that Msn Gor, or Voodoo Gor, or Halsoft Gor is any better then the thousands of other Gorean chats that are out there. However, I have to look at this from the Gorean mindset, not just a role player’s mindset, but also a Gorean mind frame. I have stood with many of you, I stood with CoM, and I left CoM because of this ideal. A Gorean gives his allegiance to his homestone. Most Goreans dedicate all they are to their caste within a certain city. I have given all I can to not just Ar in Halsoft, but to Gor in Halsoft as well. I have to view this as the one Gor that exists as Jubei. I am Ubar to Ar in Halsoft; I cannot willingly allow myself to be distracted by forming any other alliances outside of my chat venue. On Gor, there was one Ar, one Port Kar, and one Vosk River. How can I dedicate myself to my people and to those Goreans within Ar properly, if I cannot even discern which Ar I have more of an allegiance too? How can I say that my honor and commitment to my caste brothers within Ar will hold its strength, if I do not hold strong in my convictions to my homestone? I have been known to visit other chats, and speak to Goreans there, but I owe no allegiances to those chats, and I give my heart to Ar in Halsoft Gor. It is my city, my home, and my Gorean pride. Visiting other chats, I encourage, but I cannot and will not dedicate myself to another chat venue. The prize is already here before me, I am standing on Gor and the winds still carry the sounds of the shrieking Tarns. It is true, that it can be said, those tarns scream just as loudly in Ar in voodoo, and I would agree. Nevertheless, it is not the sound of my city. It is not the Gor I have poured out my life’s blood for. It is a replica, just as my city would be a replica to those committed to the cities and homes that they have built within the other venues. You are free to do as you wish. I do not condemn those of you who successfully traverse the planes of existence between one chat and the next. Unfortunately, if you ar using the same name in both, you may visit Ar in Halsoft and we may laugh, joke, and discuss Gorean ideals and ways, but you will not be considered apart of the Gor in which I belong too. I cannot control you, you have the right to do as you wish, but I do control that within the reach of my sword, and will continue to do so with every Gorean breath. It took me quite sometime to come to this realization, that if I wish to portray a strong Gorean, then I must start at the basic fundamentals of that which makes a Gorean, just that, Gorean. Some castes may have no allegiances to a city and so forth, but the fundamentals still exist. To be able to role-play between chats, you must change your rules and ideals accordingly to each chat venue. This does not allow for consistency, regardless of how many that say they are going by the books. If a man’s name is killed in one chat, he can simply allow his name to exist in another chat, and we would be none the wiser, but is there honor in that? There are a variety of things that we could all work through I suppose to make it viable and work. However, the biggest thing we cannot change, is that they are still separate Gor’s, separate cities, and require separate commitments, that defeat what I consider to be one of Gor’s many attributes, loyalty to one’s caste and home. If you choose to do this in separate names, then that is your choice. I suppose that I would not know and it really should not matter. Though you will not find me doing so for everything and every reason I have already given, I cannot stop you, and you have the right to role-play in such a manner as you wish. But I can say that without a doubt, that if you have a single name and are trying to cross chats and cross worlds, I will not allow it in Ar. Keep it separate and I do not want to know about it. You are above all things a Free Person. I wish you all well, Jubei, Ubar of Ar |
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-.Sativa.-
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Cross Chats, my view
replied on: 8/3/2005 1:48:16 AM well said |
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LadyAngelWings
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Cross Chats, my view
replied on: 8/3/2005 7:43:51 AM -soft smiles- |
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Shotokan.
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Cross Chats, my view
replied on: 8/3/2005 11:34:03 AM I could not have said it better myself. |
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Ness_
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replied on: 8/3/2005 3:19:38 PM I may not be role playing any longer, But it is always great to see such words so well spoken. Respectfully always, Lady Ness |
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XxXMIDXxX
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Cross Chats, my view
replied on: 8/4/2005 12:17:10 AM Very well said ... |
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Shahlaa_
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replied on: 8/4/2005 7:55:56 PM raises my eyebrow, then turns with a laugh and walks away. |
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LadyTalena
Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 8/5/2005 3:10:08 AM by LadyTalena |
Cross Chats, my view
replied on: 8/5/2005 2:50:09 AM A Gorean is a Gorean where ever they happen to travel too, or reside. Take a look at the "Land Registries" in VooDoo then in Halsoft, see for yourself who is a part of VooDoo and a part of Halsoft or MSN. Many Goreans consider their Home Stone as part of the big picture on Gor, not just on a server that has a place called Gor being housed on it. Do Gorean's pull down their HS's on one server just to please those who question their actions as a Gorean? "Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones." I wish you well, |
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Mikolas
Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 8/5/2005 11:29:01 AM by Mikolas |
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replied on: 8/5/2005 9:52:13 AM I find it funny that continuously people only read and see what they want. Have we become so intolerant that we no longer see the actual truths behind the words or the intention in which it was written. It is because of this opinionated ability that so few voice any thoughts anymore. The Ubar's post seemed clear enough to me. Do what you want, wherever you want. You just are not going to do it in Ar. And as a fellow Arian he has my 100% support on this ridiculous notion of crossing roleplay between chat venues. I am Gorean no matter where I am. But I only reside in Ar in Halsoft and I am no less proud of my homestone then anyone else. I make me Gorean and no matter where I travel those actions will follow me. But, ironically they are only a bunch of pages on a server called Gor. Those pages nor Halsoft make me Gorean. I am sure I will greeted and welcomed as Gorean no matter where I go.However, I am just as sure that I will not be extended the same latitude of my position within HalGor as Master Builder in anyone else's Gor on any server, be it MSN, Yahoo, Voodoo, AW or numerous others. Talana, "Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones." I could not agree more and sometimes taking your own good advice is the hardest. |
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-l-XJubeiX-l-
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Cross Chats, my view
replied on: 8/5/2005 10:13:58 AM Throw your stones, better yet, use boulders. Ta Sardar Gor |
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Ratchet_Megrum
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replied on: 8/5/2005 10:21:35 AM I got no problems with wot he said as well, an' agree with it completely. As the Ubar of Ar, he ken dictate his wishes on the numerous citizens of Ar an' I, bein' the loyal sort of feller that I am, abide by such. He ain't tellin' other folks outside of his city wot to do, in fact, he even suggested goin' to visit other areas. Seems rather open-minded to me. I am who I am. I'ma tavern owner of the BlackSword Tavern, in the city of Ar. I've got one Ubar, one 'omestone. Now iff'n I were to go to another Ar, say Voodoo fer example, an' started interactin' there in a roleplay manner, then I would be subjectin' m' self to the power an' authority of the Ubar/Administrator there, whoe'er he may be. That jest don't make sense to me. 'ow ken I 'ave more than one Ubar?? |
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LadyTalena
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replied on: 8/5/2005 5:41:12 PM Now as yourself why Halsoft Gor has very few Goreans in it any more? I wish you well, |
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Allova
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replied on: 8/5/2005 6:06:42 PM Talena that was tacky...Maybe because they wished to RP elsewhere? I stated in another thread I thought cross chatting COULD be done, but as my Ubar says Ar will not do it, then we will not. ( It is a personal choice for each) I have little time or energy to move among chats anyway. I wish voodoo well, but Ar in halsoft is growing, and that is our main concern. I wish you ALL a good day. |
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Jaaka Giha
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replied on: 8/5/2005 6:53:02 PM quote: This was discussed with as much debate long ago when it was brought to topic about slaves going to other chats or Free women being slaves in alternate chats. It all boils down to personal preference. I don't say one is right or wrong. I can only make decisions based on what those I RP with choose and wish (meaning My Ubar, Ven0m and his FC Blyss) |
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Ratchet_Megrum
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replied on: 8/5/2005 7:07:51 PM Aye, Drakani, it be personal preference, which is basically wot the Ubar is sayin' fer folks not under his authority. I was jest statin' m' personal preference as well, an' how fer me, it don't make sense. I didn't mean to imply that it don't make sense fer others. I'ma hopin' that no one took it that way, but ken see how easily it could be. So thank ya fer pointin' that out to me. As fer Talena's comment, I couldn't really tell ya why the numbers in 'alsoft dwindled. Couldn't even tell ya IF they dwindled. I don't care either. It ain't m' place to be worryin' 'bout other folks and their choices as to why they stayed or left. Wot other folks does is their business. I don't 'ave to agree with it, or like it, an' the same goes for them. I keep m' own backyard clean though before I go 'bout complainin' 'bout the leaves m' neighbor has strewn all over his yard. |
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Blackhand1
Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 8/6/2005 1:06:23 AM by Blackhand1 |
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replied on: 8/6/2005 12:56:25 AM Tal Ubar Jubei You said - qoute "I have to look at this from the Gorean mindset, not just a role player’s mindset, but also a Gorean mind frame" Now its not so much that i disagree with this comment its more that my view point is diffrent, but i dont disagree as i can see what you mean when you say this and your meaning may hold a diff context to mine and if it does then i apologise, as even though i do not know you well (know more of you than know you personally)i do respect you , as your reputation and standing within the community in Halsoft is held by most in high regard. But what i wanted to say is this that when you say your not looking it from a RP perspective but a Gorean mindet then if you mean when you say Gorean that you are viewing this from a Gorean Phylosophical viewpoint then i see this bit diffrently. In that, in a Gorean mindeset, Gor does not exist only the facets of its ideals as it pretains to its underlying Philosophy does, in other words when we speak of Gorean we really mean Gorean only in a Real Time sense not in a RP sense, in a Gorean Mindset there no such thing as Ar or Port Kar or Tarns or Ar in Halsoft or a Ar in Voodo or a Ar in AW none of this exist Ar in Halsoft exists only to the point that in a Grean Phylosophyical view point its only a chat medium ie a chat prog nothing more and Goreans of like minds come here to chat with ppl they respect as fellow Goreans, however from a RP view point Ar in Halsoft is anything you wish it to be in a RP sense same for Voododo and for Ar in AW, hence in a Gorean RT Mindset the issue of cross venue chat is actully not an issue, as the sources for this confusion does not exist in the 1st place. Again i state i do understand that your point to which you were reffering may be different from what i interpreted, and if it is, i apologise in advance. But in saying all that, ideals such as affiliation to One Ubar and one home stone in a "Role Play" sense is a very repsected ideal to hold and i respect you for that and fully agree with you on that issue and if you were to transalate ideals from the source text to your RP venue ideals such as Respect, Integrity and Honor of which loyalty to home stone is a part of, then i fully agree with you, but again the keyword here is RP and not Gorean Mindset from a Phylosophy standpoint. My view on cross venue RP is simple i do as i wish and i am a part of AW Gor as much as im part of Voodoo Gor however i do not "Cross Venue" RP RP on AW and RP on Voodoo are kept totally seperate. I wish you well Ubar. Blackhand Gold and Steel |
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