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Dj.CrazzyAss
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replied on: 9/10/2006 6:53:39 PM Tal Goreans I am a Non-Gorean who has observed Gor for a while now but more was witness to the apollogy offered by Kyile to Grethos. The apollogy was openly accepted with a strun repremand. That is all that was said in open room. I am awear are the essay as I was informed of it. My thoughts on this if I may are as follows. 1. Yes a FW did enter a non posted Tavern. 2. The tavernkeep violated His own city rules by not arresting and having a trial. 3. the Admin. of 2 cites discusesd the stiuation and I was infomed that an apollogy was to be given... period. Now My question is... there is a 30 day NO RP done apon entering Gor. Is this not done so O/one can learn the ways of Gor? If so then why is it that at the first slip up a FW can be taken against her will and yet can't do anything about it cause she is forbiden? How is this teaching new Goreans the ways of Gor? This seems like a way for Masters to just go take what ever they want and to hell with others. Yes I know all about Masters and thie right to do as they wish... but to take someone who isn't even allowed to defend themselves to Me is a cowards way to get a slave... ther is no Honor in taking someone who is defenceless and the 30 day rule makes ALL newcomers defencless against the opression of anyone. What right does a FM have to give a FW an essay? None does that FW have the right to punish a FM if he does wrong Of course not... do a FM have the right to punish another FM... No... would a FM have acted the same way if it had been a FM entering that tavern... No because I entered that tavern and was not even Greeted buy that tavern owners slave... I personally think that Gor need to llok at the 30 day rule and yes guide... teach even lecture to teach about the Gorean ways but to vailstrip and then demand an essay I think is breaking the "you will only watch Gor for 30 day" rule. Dj.CrazzyAss |
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Tryp
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replied on: 9/10/2006 7:12:12 PM dj; The 30 day rule and it's application is dependent upon the home or city using it. Some allow rp, some don't. Most who adhere to the 30 days respect others that do as well. There are occasions when some will use the "I'm under 30 days" excuse when they do something they have no business doing and have been warned about, claiming ignorance. For those under the 30 day observation period their starting date should be visible in their ID. Observing means exactly that..observing. I can only speak for PG. 1. They cannot capture or kill for 30 days. 2. They cannot BE captured or killed for 30 days. 3. They cannot role play outside the band and their pages. In other words, they cannot interact in a roleplay manner with anyone outside their band. 4. Any PG under her 30 days who choses to saunter off and wander Gor is subject to the rules in the cities and homes she wanders to. If she violates THEIR rules, the 30 day observation rule will not save her. Neither will I. If the FW in question had come to an unsafe panther page with her 30 days date in her ID, she would have been treated as essentially a nonGorean. I wish you well. |
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-.Sativa.-
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replied on: 9/10/2006 7:14:13 PM if a person is safe behind the no roleplay rule, then breaks it by roleplaying, the safety is gone. one does not enter a Gorean room while observing and greet by saying Tal. Kyli is well aware of the rules, she is no newbie. my question is...why would a non-gorean concern him/herself with what we do here in Gor? i wouldnt think of going to a d/s room and commenting on your inability to spell english, so what makes you think you can come here and go over rules that are made by Goreans, for Goreans? roleplay issues have nothing to do with anyone but Goreans, and this issue would have had nothing to do with anyone but those involved had it not been brought up in a what-if query |
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Fancy_Megrum
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replied on: 9/10/2006 7:16:43 PM First off, bein' the FC o' the Owner o' the Black Sword, I ken tell ya' that I ain't ne'er e'en stepped foot in that tavern, an' I grew up in me Pa's tavern! Ratchet 'as made it painfully clear that iff'n jest me pinkie enters that tavern I'll be wearin' steel. While there are free women who 'ave entered taverns... it ain't a proper place fer no free woman, an' well kyli should ken this. It dinna matter iff'n ya ain't been in Gor fer awhile an' ya ain't been back fer more than 30 days, ya dinna fergit the fundamentals! As fer this: quote: More accurate, kyli, would be that yer the one wot's green! Ya made a stupid error, one ya should 'ave ken better, but ya wanted Gor yer way, so in veils an' robes ya entered a tavern. I dinna ken one intelligent free woman who would waltz into a tavern in a different city that she dinna ken without an escourt or seekin' permission first. Straight out foolish, ya should be in a collar. An' now ya dinna like wot the administrator o' yer city decided, ya dinna like wot yer punishment is so ya bring yer rubbish to the boards to try an' garner support. Personally, I think yer damn lucky that ya weren't locked away until ya could be given a trial. Account fer yer actions, kyli. Accept responsibility an' stop tryin' to manipulate others so ya ken be exempt from the not so pleasant side o' Gor. |
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-.Sativa.-
*La Sarcastica* This message was updated on 9/10/2006 7:27:03 PM by -.Sativa.- |
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replied on: 9/10/2006 7:26:25 PM if for no other reason than Pierre went to bat for you (in a roleplay aspect) and tried to save your ass. out of respect for Him you should do whats right. Had that not taken place, i would have said you were safe, as the arrest should have come first, according to Arian laws, but what took place afterwards showed you accepted it, as you then tried to find another way to do punishment. just a reminder to any new or returning FW, read the laws of the city before entering any room, your safety depends on it. |
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Dj.CrazzyAss
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replied on: 9/10/2006 7:42:46 PM Chuckles... obvioulsy Sister Sativa has been nipping at the herbs and didn't read peroperly and as for My spelling mistakes ... Belly laughs... this board is full of them and if that is your only comment then I know why I haven't become a Gorean. I will say again for Sativa's personal info... I have read a cpl of Gorean books I have observed Gor I have read Gorean rules and regs... you are not talking to a simple Man here... I was a wittness to the apollogy is why My nose is in here.... so don't think you can discredit Me. I agree Kyil did wrong by entering a Ar tavern. but My question still stands... how are you teaching anyone anything but rushing into collaring anyone... RP is RP doesn't mater if it is Gor, Vamp D/s or even simple cybering... and ALL RP MUST have rules and regs... from an OUTSIDERS point of view these rules are made and only followed when it fits the person. Gor is RP with rules and gegs set forth but EVERYONE needs to follow them not when it suits them.The 30 day rules CLEARLY state and I will Quote Eteocles if I may here 1--30 days petition/get aquainted in a home stone. 2--no roleplay for 30days of any kind,read watch and learn. 3--no slaves were allowed to be taken for 30 days and yes this would include personal slave or slaves. 4--no lands were allowed to be staked for claim for 30 days 5--after the 30 days rule was up,the person petitioning would then be voted to become a new resident fully or not by the council of the home. 6--slaves who entered a home was made a city slave for 30 days,after the 30 days the slave might then become personal slave to one of the residents of the home she/he is in. I will also Quote ll-Beast.Blade-ll as He quotes from a Gorean book quote: "Should I wish to enter a paga tavern, for example," I said, "you will accompany me." "In most paga taverns," he said, "free women are not permitted. In some they are." "I see," I said. To force an entry to such a place, I then understood, might necessitate an altercation, one perhaps ensuing in the exposure of my identity as the Tatrix. A common free woman, for example, might simply be forbidden to cross certain thresholds. "Too," he said, "even if commanded, I could not knowingly lead you into danger, for example, into certain sections of the city at night. It is my duty to protect the Tatrix, not to place her in jeopardy." "You are an excellent guard, Drusus," I said. "You are right, of course." "I could take you to a tavern in which families are served," he said. "It was not such a tavern I had in mind," I said. Kajira of Gor, page 122 Finally I will Quote dear Sister Sativa "as this took place in Ar, Ar laws must be followed * No Free Woman in Ar may be face stripped without first being arrested and placed on trial. * -http://www.jubeiofgor.com/rulesandlawsofar.htm" Rules and Regs are set down as guidelines that need to be followed not at your own personal whim but FOLLOWED... wiether you are in Gor in D/s or any rp. and to trying and discredit an outsider will not fix your troubles. Maybe if rules were closly followed you might have more people join your rp community but when blaitant disregaurd for any Law and order is noticed it does keep alot of people away including Myself... there is no Honor in breaking rules and what person needs to break rules to gain resepct. NONE |
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-.Sativa.-
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replied on: 9/10/2006 8:03:04 PM first of all, Mother left you out for the wolves at birth...I have no brother. second... im not trying to discredit you, you have no place commenting on gorean matters. if i would be sitting in a d/s room, and something went down, i can assure you i would not be sticking my nose into it. its not my place. i dont have a clue who you are, so this isnt personal. and yes, the 30 day rule is valid...unless the person null and voids it by roleplaying, thus makin her fair game. and Ar laws are vaild, except she accepted the issue, by going to Pierre and discussing with him the possibility of changing the punishment. had she read the laws of the city she was in, she could have said she was leaving as facestripping or capping wasnt allowed. and left it at that. trying to get out of something unpleasant is natural, but as she has involved Pierre into this , the appropriate thing to do is sit down and write out whatever it is she needs to write. she could have sat in obs and been perfectly safe. anyone who has been around as long as kyli knows about taverns. she made a mistake. accept it and move on. now we have d/s people commenting on it (and calling me sister ...ugh) it was none of your business (and i dont mean that rudely) even tho you were in the room, and i cant imagine why you are taking an interest. the 30 day rule is to prevent this from happening, not to give carte blanche to any0one wishing to join. i can only imagine what , if anything, would be said had i made a mistake and wandered into a tavern, and been called on the carpet for it. i guarantee you there would have been no threads asking for peoples opinions. i would have spoken to a couple people (which im sure she did) and taken my lumps |
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Dj.CrazzyAss
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replied on: 9/10/2006 8:51:47 PM I think you need to reread My last post sativa... I was mearly pointing out the rules of Gor and of Ar... and the term sister sativa if you knew the meaning of your name is a pot term...Chuckles...shakes head... now you need to reread that last post read the evidance and them judge the situation not judge an outsider looking in... that just happens to know what He is talking about doesn't it?? |
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-.Sativa.-
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replied on: 9/10/2006 9:33:07 PM my apologies, im not a pothead and not up on the terms... * I was mearly pointing out the rules of Gor and of Ar...* why would anyone need an outsider to pass along the rules of Gor and Ar? that just boggles the mind. those of us who are in gor know the rules, including the FW in question. and the rules of Ar are well posted. so im not seeing the need for some buttinski to come tell everyone the obvious. the text has been passed around, those goreans that were there will be proof enough. no need to give your two cents worth. and no, you have no idea what yer talking about so do stick to what you know. you havent shown you know anything, you have merely questioned the way we do things, and stated how we should do things. * I personally think that Gor need to llok at the 30 day rule and yes guide... teach even lecture to teach about the Gorean ways but to vailstrip and then demand an essay I think is breaking the "you will only watch Gor for 30 day" rule.* *How is this teaching new Goreans the ways of Gor?* *. but to take someone who isn't even allowed to defend themselves to Me is a cowards way to get a slave...* * how are you teaching anyone anything but rushing into collaring anyone...* *Maybe if rules were closly followed you might have more people join your rp community but when blaitant disregaurd for any Law and order is noticed it does keep alot of people away including Myself..* bleh |
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Dj.CrazzyAss
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replied on: 9/10/2006 9:52:58 PM Belly laughs at the woman sativa for she forgets her place. Seems you do not know your own rules and need an outside to post. If you fine Me to be ofensive then may I should come to Gor and show you what Honor and Respect is woman... and if you had solved this then an Outsider would haven't to put thier 2 cents in. so relax woman cripes... One would think you actually meant something.... |
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-.Sativa.-
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replied on: 9/10/2006 10:09:18 PM im still trying to decipher what the hell you just said... bear with me boy |
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Tryp
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replied on: 9/10/2006 10:19:50 PM DJ, since you are not Gorean and not part of the community, your question is noted and has been answered as a courtesy. Needling of Goreans is not required by nonGoreans, and you are in no position to question Gorean rules and standards. Or, at least, you should not be taking that stand. To further simplify the 30 day issue for you, there is no set standard. Goreans have a thing called homestone sovereignity. They make the rules for their homes as they see fit. The rules in my camp may differ from another. None of us has to agree with them. If we don't, we simply don't go there. The objective is to get a few idiots to actually sit in observe and READ the laws and rules of the city or home they're about to barge into. Goreans in the community do mentor newcomers, FREQUENTLY. However, there always was and always will be those who think their purpose in life is to disrupt the flow of anything. I can teach. That does not mean you will learn. Kyli is NOT a newcomer to Gor, not by a long shot, and I'm sure is more than familiar with how things work. Her extended absence allowed her the luxury of a 30 day period of time in which to reacquaint herself with those in the community, their locations and their roles. The person who has forgotten their place is more than apparent here. |
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Fancy_Megrum
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replied on: 9/10/2006 10:27:10 PM Dayum Sativa, 'ow do ya do it?! I'ma thinkin' ya got yerself yet 'nother admirer!!! |
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-.Sativa.-
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replied on: 9/10/2006 11:17:28 PM it must be my sparkling wit and friendly demeanour... its a wonder i havent been snapped up yet, isnt it? |
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Jaaka Giha
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replied on: 9/11/2006 4:21:17 AM I think it's that great big bold "FU.CK OFF!!" tattooed on yer forehead, LOL. |
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