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| dbrooks Quote | Reply | | Draft Order / AHL4 Entry Draft posted on: 12/12/2005 12:32:02 PM Now that the trade freeze has been lifted and draft picks may be dealt, teams should be aware of the draft order for the AHL4 Entry Draft. The order will be based on the AHL2 Standings. Teams’ current stock of picks (leftover from AHL2) may be traded, however at this time only your 1st-2nd-3rd picks can be dealt. Later in AHL3, as it becomes clearer how deep the next Entry Draft will be, the league may announce that additional picks (e.g. 4th’s) may be traded. Future picks (e.g. for AHL5) ‘cannot’ be traded. Here’s the draft order (for AHL4) that will apply to any picks traded now. This order will also apply to the initial wave(s) of FAP trades, and to Waiver claims through Day 15 of the regular-season. Keep in mind that (as usual) there will be a Lottery prior to the Entry Draft, meaning in this case that the NYI pick is not ‘assured’ of being the #1 overall. 01: NY Islanders 02: Tampa Bay 03: Montreal 04: San Jose 05: Buffalo 06: Colorado 07: New Jersey 08: Washington 09: Anaheim 10: Toronto 11: Columbus 12: Edmonton 13: Vancouver 14: Nashville 15: Carolina 16: Detroit 17: Chicago 18: Atlanta 19: Minnesota 20: Ottawa 21: NY Rangers 22: Phoenix 23: Florida 24: Los Angeles 25: Calgary 26: Dallas 27: Philadelphia 28: Boston 29: Pittsburgh 30: St. Louis Don / Pittsburgh |
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AHL_canucks
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replied on: 12/13/2005 3:25:34 PM So does that mean that the standings from AHL 3 coming up will not be used for any future draft? Dan, Vancouver |
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dbrooks
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replied on: 12/13/2005 3:43:16 PM Dan: The AHL3 Standings will not be used for any future 'Entry Draft,' however they will be used for the AHL4 Dispersal Draft. Brad: Please confirm this. Don / Pittsburgh |
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bradu
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replied on: 12/13/2005 6:52:30 PM that is correct |
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mksee88
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replied on: 12/13/2005 10:12:24 PM So that means my teams gonna suck for this season with absolutely no hope for the future? And then it will suck again next season...interesting approach.. |
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bradu
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replied on: 12/14/2005 1:08:16 AM you have to understand that, since there was no NHL season last year, there was no new disk to work with, and therefore no entry draft this season. But all last season, teams were trading draft picks based on the position of the picks. So it is only fair for the next entry draft to be based on last season. Rather than skip a full season entirely, it was decided upon that it would be better to do a 2nd season using the same disk, even if that season did not affect any entry drafts. I think your team is a lot better than you give them credit for. They finished 7th overall last season, that means that 23 teams in the league wish their team was as good as yours. (After re-reading your post and looking at your roster and stats from last season, I can't make any sense whatsoever out of your complaints.) |
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mksee88
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replied on: 12/14/2005 9:17:03 AM I will admit roster depth looks different in a 24 team league vs the 16 team leagues I am used to managing in. Ill admit I have a decent goalie and good d-man depth. But I have poor forward depth, and no exciting prospects. I dont see how this team did as well as it did last season. I may have a bad attitude about my chances but I have taken over teams that were a train wreck so Im not so unhappy that I would give up the team. |
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mksee88
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replied on: 12/14/2005 9:36:42 AM Well it was more of a strong comment than a complaint......I do understand the problems associated with the NHL lockout If I do poorly I will get the dispersal draft benefit....So we will see... |
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bradu
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replied on: 12/14/2005 9:50:57 AM "I will admit roster depth looks different in a 24 team league vs the 16 team leagues I am used to managing in." Well, you're looking at a 30 team league, same as the NHL. So if you're used to a 16 team league, your 4th line is going to be almost equivalent to a 2nd line in AHL. It's a whole different ball game. You actually have a pretty darn good team. And you have a good mix of young guys, not a ton of guys who will be retiring soon. Anyway, it makes sense if the 30 team thing is what threw you off, but you've got to look in comparison to the rest of the league. |
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GMWings
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replied on: 12/14/2005 11:35:30 AM Mike, I've been reading along and believe me, it takes some getting used to this 30 team format... but I know your team is better than average, and that you have as good or better a mix than most out there. |
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replied on: 12/14/2005 6:48:50 PM HEY The upcoming season standings should mean more than just the dispersal draft. How about we have two drafts instead of adding rounds? First draft can occur at a selected upcoming date to be the deadline for a rookie to make the disk (12 gp). Right now there are about 70 rookies at or above the limit. Do you think there will be 50 more who make the cut? Not likely, so how about you can draft anyone who has played in the NHL this year as prospect players (p) Old AHL had prospects before it was abandoned. For those who don't remember, it had a full minor league. Derek SJ See |
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bradu
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replied on: 12/14/2005 9:27:38 PM Derek, I tend to agree with you that it seems that this season should mean more. I have considered several options, one of which is what you are suggesting. I was thinking about doing a draft with the rookies who've played enough games to make the disk, but it would only make sense if we were also going to have retirements. Otherwise we'd have more players on the disk than any other season. And I think it's just too late for that. (how pissed would Anaheim be if we just said "oh, by the way you're not gonna have Scott Stevens this season after all, he's retiring from AHL.") And while I personally like the type P prospects thing we had going, it just didn't work out too well because it caused a bit more imbalance, when what we wanted to do was create a more balanced league. I also considered perhaps combining the season 3 and season 4 standings for the season 5 entry draft order, so that at least the season 3 standings held more importance. But the season 5 entry draft is 2 years away still! I don't know, maybe that is an option we would want to consider. Either way, it's been established that there is no entry draft this season since there are no new players to add. |
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dbrooks
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replied on: 12/15/2005 2:47:09 PM Mike: Brad makes the point of why the AHL4 Entry Draft must be based on the AHL2 Standings. For example, in AHL2 Calgary obtained a sure-fire Lottery pick by trading for Tampa Bay’s 1st-rounder. As it stands now, that pick assures Calgary of drafting either Crosby or Ovechkin. It wouldn’t be fair to Calgary if that pick lost value in AHL3. Derek: I really see no purpose in having two Entry Drafts. The players selected in the first draft wouldn’t make the league disk until AHL4 anyway. More importantly, the AHL4 Dispersal Draft will alter teams’ needs, therefore it would be counter-productive to hold a first draft during the AHL3 season. Brad: Re your comment that “I was thinking about doing a draft with the rookies who've played enough games to make the disk, but it would only make sense if we were also going to have retirements. Otherwise we'd have more players on the disk than any other season…” You seem to be suggesting that you’d ‘create/card’ that group of rookies. What sense would that make? They’d either be unrealistically injury-prone or their numbers/ratings would be based on the assumption that they’ll maintain their current NHL performance for the full 82 games. All in all, I feel that the AHL3 Standings will be meaningful. With the recent Dispersal Draft having altered the competitive balance ‘and’ with some new GM’s, the AHL3 Standings are not going to mirror AHL2. For example, I can nearly guarantee you that the Isles, under their new GM (Silvio), will not finish 30th. A team’s Dispersal Draft selections (and losses), combined with some new GM’s, fresh trades and new coaching strategies, will create a competitive environment within which ‘every’ GM should be eager to improve on last season’s W-L record. Granted, it’s not the same as having a new disk, but for those who love to compete, it’s not bad. Don / Pittsburgh |
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bradu
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replied on: 12/15/2005 4:13:51 PM "You seem to be suggesting that you’d ‘create/card’ that group of rookies. What sense would that make? They’d either be unrealistically injury-prone or their numbers/ratings would be based on the assumption that they’ll maintain their current NHL performance for the full 82 games." Further evidence to support the decision that I decided against it in the end. 
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dbrooks
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replied on: 12/15/2005 11:53:34 PM Brad and Derek: I’ve got an idea which addresses your concern that the AHL3 Standings should mean more than just determining the order for the next Dispersal Draft. This isn’t a solution, just a step in that direction. Because teams can trade only their first three (AHL4) Entry Draft picks, we could base the 4th and subsequent rounds on the AHL3 Standings. We’re likely to have at least four rounds. From a quick glance at the current NHL stats, I count roughly 90 skaters alone who will be new to the AHL and make the next disk. That doesn’t even include Goalies. Granted, I may have mistakenly included a few players who were on the AHL1 disk. As Derek notes, there may not be 50 more players, but there will be numerous others. I think we can count on having four rounds (hopefully more), which is what we had in AHL2. In AHL2 we actually had enough ‘players’ for five rounds, however we needed to leave a sufficient number in the FAP, which had few-if-any leftovers (from AHL1) who made the AHL2 disk. I suspect that scenario will repeat itself this year, and we’ll have to ‘shorten’ the AHL4 Entry Draft in order to ensure an adequate FAP. For what it’s worth…. Don / Pittsburgh |
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bradu
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replied on: 12/16/2005 12:47:10 AM Don, not a bad idea at all. One other point that I just thought of...we will have non-updates again, and I see no harm in basing the non-updates off of season 3's standings (determining whether a team gets 1 or 2). |
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