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guvnor	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/5/2006 9:07:20 PM quote: quote: Gotta be the Trocadera in Needless Alley, While taking a slash in the gents, saw this guy in the stalls stuffing his old feller down this poor geezers throat. When was this? Because back in the seventies the Troc was well known as a gay pub (people used to call it the "Trocaqueero"), where the kind of incident you describe was presumably standard procedure. BTW, the Troc is on Temple Street. The pub in Needless Alley was the Beer Kellar. Now that could be a slightly dodgy place. A bloke I used to work with was once attacked by a hammer-wielding biker there, and a quick-tempered friend of mine once punched a smack-head to the floor there following a trivial argument. The smack-head then followed my friend out into the alley and smashed a bottle over his head. When they met each other again the following week, however, they shook hands and got on quite well together after that. My friend was even a mourner at the smack-head's funeral several years later. Happy days. Yes of course you're quite right the Troc's in Temple place (don't get out much these days), Is the Windsor still in Temple street?(if you wanta nomination for the softest pub, thats it).
m8e Rank: Ozzy	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/7/2006 6:01:18 AM quote: Is the Windsor still in Temple street? No, the Windsor has never been in Temple Street, it's always stayed in Cannon Street. At one time it used to have entrances on both Cannon Street and Needless Alley, but now only has the Cannon Street entrance. It also used to have a lot more character(s) than it does now, and was famously the place where Charlie Mitton once hauled a dead sheep onto the bar in retaliation for being banned (or baaa-ed as Rotunda Pants suggests). Incidentally - even though he'd never heard of the sheep incident - when the writer Iain Sinclair came to base a character in one of his novels on Mitton, he named the character "Bad News Mutton." Pretty strange, don't ewe think?
guvnor	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/9/2006 12:02:20 AM and tell me what news of Yates wine lodge does it still serve cheapo Australian white wine to the donkey jacketted gourmands from the Wimpy construction company or has it been reincarnated as a starbucks or similar?
kingshurstphil Rank: Toyah	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/9/2006 12:55:33 PM cant remember if its already been included but the square peg surely must be up there with some of the people that drink in there. havent been up to town in a long time but i do remember seeing people queuing from around 9.30 for a drink. dedication!
bounder chairman of the board Rank: Ozzy	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/9/2006 1:58:43 PM ah, it's not drinkers but coffee types in their that early. From 11, dedication, as Roy Castle said, is what yer need. however, about 5/6 years ago I was showing a new housemate round the city, she was not a native, and I was showing her the bright lights of town. being student types, no night out would be complete without going somewhere cheap first to get drunk, before nursing a half for hours in a decent establishment. I'll admit getting her tiddly was also part of another plan I had, so all in all I wanted to make a good impression. So this Saturday night, we were up the bar in the Square Peg, about 8 o'clock, and I was just warming her with tales of how Brum wasn't as bad as it was painted, not too chavvy (not that chavvy was word then, think we used 'kev'), when without warning the fella next to us picked up his pint and glassed the next guy along. Now, this wasn't accompanied with the usual ruckus that precludes a glassing - no shouting or even raised voices, he simply weighed his options, weighed the glass, took a last slup and slammed it into the side of the bloke's head. The most laid-back glassing I've ever seen. Of course their was a ruckus afterwards, but the bouncers bundled them both outside (and obligatory leave-him-he's-not-worth-it woman), to sort it out amongst themselves. Swift reaction from the bouncers, the same ones that had stopped me going in a few months before due to me wearing 'sports colours'. I pointed out to them that it was a Brooklyn Dodgers baseball shirt and I was unlikely to run into a load of rival fans, they let me as long as I "stood behind a pillar". Later that night I did have a row with a baseball fan in the 'Rock Cafe' on Paradise Circus. I covered up the Peg altercation with the young lady, although any chance I might have had was spoilt by me rowing with the doorman of the Flapper and Firkin, during our house's 'drinking Ryder Cup' a week or so later. So I never got to the nineteenth hole. That and the fact that I was a nightmare to live with. So all in all, the Peg is quite hard - longest bar in Europe too.
m8e Rank: Ozzy This message was updated on 2/9/2006 6:47:24 PM by m8e	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/9/2006 3:04:57 PM quote: and tell me what news of Yates wine lodge does it still serve cheapo Australian white wine to the donkey jacketted gourmands from the Wimpy construction company or has it been reincarnated as a starbucks or similar? My god, you really don't get out much, do you? Even I'm not old enough to remember the original Yates's Wine Lodge, and the more recent Yates's opposite the law courts is just a normal pub (whereas, from the stories I've heard of it, there was very little that was normal about the original Yates's). When trying to imagine what the original must have been like, something like a holographic animation of a Hogarth print keeps coming to mind - but surely it couldn't have been that mad... could it? As for the Square Peg (or Chav Central as I call it), the place is big enough to accommodate separate groups spanning the whole class range from middle to under - although it does seem to be the later that predominates these days. Incidentally, Charlie once successfully defended himself in court on the charge of damaging the doors at the Square Peg, by pointing out that the doors were only damaged because the bouncers had thrown him through them.
kingshurstphil Rank: Toyah	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/9/2006 4:12:59 PM what about Sara moons? ive never been in it but it always full of unsavoury sorts (allegedly) using binoculars to get pin numbers from people using the tsb cash machine over the way. its pretty much the only pub i will avoid in town
bounder chairman of the board Rank: Ozzy This message was updated on 2/9/2006 6:40:01 PM by bounder	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/9/2006 4:20:48 PM won't hear a word said against the place, a fine variety of old soaks dripping mild onto their manky veg, which sits under the table having bean* bought from the market some hours earlier. * was going to edit this typo, but it's a nice pun
Ariel HS	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/9/2006 7:26:05 PM Yates was a funny place in as much as you could buy sardines and tea over the counter as well as Ozzy White. The Sardines were very good and from Portugal and were in olive oil with hot chilli pepers and were labled as "Nuri's Sardines". It also closed half an hour befor the other pubs and we used to pile out cross the road and go into the Windsor to see if Charlie had brought the sheep with him.
Russ-L Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 2/11/2006 3:31:28 PM by Russ-L	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/11/2006 3:30:15 PM There's an amusing little article here about a tour around a few (supposedly) rough establishments. Most of them aren't rough at all, but still - it's a fun read.
pinkcandyfloss	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 6/20/2006 11:53:57 AM can i mention the beeches in northfield? i had managed to avoid going into this place for nearly 2 years since i moved 3 doors away then got persuaded by my friend to go in on sat! i swear to god, its like a sequal to "the hills have eyes" in an hour a woman slapped her old fellow round the chops then a full blown fight kicked off between a mother and her son, he shouting why dont you go and get your tits out for all the young boys on the forecourt, you ol slag etc, threatening to get people round , her trying to through glasses and i ended up getting locked in the place. i presume that was a quiet night cos the police werent called and there was no dogs or helecopters like there normally is! never again!
G	Hardest Pub In Brum replied on: 9/8/2006 9:49:34 PM I'm new to this forum but here are my votes.... The Gladiator, Druids Heath. Now amusingly rebranded as The Phoenix Members Club. Kind of describes their punters I think... The Warstock, Warstock. So, that's a pint of bitter, two bags of Pork Crunch and an AK-47. £4.62 please Sir... The Bagnall Arms, Yardley Wood. In the days before Dating Direct, Toothless Hags and Hagless Tooths frequented this place and got together for fun times... The Maypole, Maypole. Probably had more murders than tables in the end... The Ship Ashore, Town. Full of Northern Soul loving lunatics, enough said... Sam Wellers, Town. 80's pre-club pub for white shirted, white socked, slip-on shoed piss head. I witnessed most types of violence in that place including a bloke strangling his foe with his girlfriend's scrunchie... Fox & Grapes, Town. Rough as your Nan's chin, but worth braving for a no questions asked lock-in...
bigaljohnson	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 11/4/2006 6:42:13 PM most pubs that were a bit hard are shut down. The Fox Hollies closed after some misunderstanding about discharging 12 bore shotguns on licenced premises and is now an Aldi supermarket. The Willows was a legend when I was a kid. It's in Whichall and some bloke got his ticket for riding his motorbike into the pub. It was only the bar as well! The gaffer used to sweep up all the dropped pills and try to sell them to the regulars the next day.
pol pot noodle	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 11/22/2006 10:29:04 AM christ yeah, the gladiator in druids heath was as rough as a badger's arse. as was the cannon hill in balsall heath.
JimmyG This message was updated on 2/15/2007 3:31:43 PM by JimmyG	hardest pub in Brum replied on: 2/15/2007 3:24:24 PM "always thought the pub down by the blues ground,on match days corner of cattel rd/ & cov rd was hard can't think of the name help me out here" That pub was I think the Greenaway. Now demolished and - guess what - a supermarket now stands there.
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