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gid	carl chinn posted on: 4/14/2004 3:11:42 PM biggest fake since the turin shroud discuss
peakyblinder old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/14/2004 4:32:48 PM quote: biggest fake since the turin shroud discuss How can he be a fake? He was born in a working-class suburb of Birmingham, still lives here, loves the place and the people, tirelessly and selflessly promotes the city at every available opportunity, and has never tried to ditch his Brummie accent. In my opinion, the only fakes are those who try to put on posh accents or move away.
gid	carl chinn replied on: 4/14/2004 6:07:25 PM his accent is so exaggerated it's a parody and his history books are childish and inaccurate. the guy's an arse.
peakyblinder old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/14/2004 7:19:12 PM quote: his accent is so exaggerated it's a parody and his history books are childish and inaccurate. the guy's an arse. A parody of what? It's a Brummie accent, for Christ's sake. The guy has a working-class Birmingham accent because he's a working-class Brummie. If you don't believe me, go to Northfield on a Saturday morning and have a listen to how working-class Birmingham people speak. Chinn's accent is the same as everyone in my family who are also working-class Brummies. Are you one of these people who don't like working-class people getting on in life or something? Or do you just not like our accent? As for your comments on Chinn's history books, they aren't mainstream titles. They're local history books written for elderly Birmingham people, which is probably why you find them a bit childish in comparison with titles by Simon Schama, etc. They're written for different audiences. Can you give us some examples of why you find them inaccurate and proof that your observations are accurate? If you can, then I will admit that you are right.
gid This message was updated on 4/14/2004 10:47:16 PM by gid	carl chinn replied on: 4/14/2004 7:26:47 PM well i'm very sorry, slasher, i thought this was a forum for slagging off shit brummies. what do you think i am, little lord fauntleroy? i've lived down the maypole for 33 years and went to school in northfield. my dad was born in the same street as carl chinn, and anybody who has to ham up their accent like that has a serious chip on their shoulder in my view. just a view, that's all. chinn's books are badly researched - the one called the great working city or whatever it is is particularly slapdash. i know they're local history books, nothing wrong with that. chris upton (birmingham post) - there's a real local historian for you. big wolves fan, lives in balsall heath, just quietly gets on with his life doing proper academic research instead of the shameless and embarrassing self-promotion that chinn indulges in. carl chinn panders to his audience so desperately that he feeds them any old romantic fiction he believes they want to read. the guy's a charlatan. but i know you've had a lot of chinny t-shirts made and it wouldn't do to question your supreme authority, so i'll shut it.
peakyblinder old hand Rank: Chinny This message was updated on 4/17/2004 9:33:10 AM by peakyblinder	carl chinn replied on: 4/15/2004 9:03:47 AM quote: well i'm very sorry, slasher, i thought this was a forum for slagging off shit brummies. what do you think i am, little lord fauntleroy? i've lived down the maypole for 33 years and went to school in northfield. my dad was born in the same street as carl chinn, and anybody who has to ham up their accent like that has a serious chip on their shoulder in my view. just a view, that's all. chinn's books are badly researched - the one called the great working city or whatever it is is particularly slapdash. i know they're local history books, nothing wrong with that. chris upton (birmingham post) - there's a real local historian for you. big wolves fan, lives in balsall heath, just quietly gets on with his life doing proper academic research instead of the shameless and embarrassing self-promotion that chinn indulges in. carl chinn panders to his audience so desperately that he feeds them any old romantic fiction he believes they want to read. the guy's a charlatan. but i know you've had a lot of chinny t-shirts made and it wouldn't do to question your supreme authority, so i'll shut it. Sorry if I offended you, gid. I didn't mean to. I was just trying to engage in a bit of intelligent debate, that's all. It's obviously something you feel passionately about, and I think it is in our best interests as Brummies if we determine exactly why you feel this way. Maybe Chinn is a charlatan, as you say, but we'll never know unless you prove it. I don't think Chinn "hams up" his accent. I've heard him speak on many occasions and in many different contexts over the years and his accent has always sounded the same to me. I don't see why he should have "a serious chip on his shoulder" either. He is a very successful author. He is also a Professor and he has an MBE, so how can he be bitter? He always passionately defends Birmingham, working-class Birmingham people and the Birmingham accent whenever they are attacked in the media, so I think it is better to say that he has an axe to grind. I think they've got a copy of 'The Great Working City' in my local library. If you can give me an example of what you mean by "badly researched" and "slapdash," I'll have a look. If not, then your critique will just sound like a meaningless rant. I agree with your point about Upton - he is a good local historian, but I wish he would speak up as much as Chinn when Birmingham is attacked. We need more people who are brave enough to stand up and back Birmingham. Incidentally, I am not Bounder - the person who runs this site, and I did not make the Chinny t-shirts. I think that they are really funny, though, and show that us Brummies have the best sense of humour in the country. I'm sure Chinn would find them funny too. I'm not sure Upton would, though.
NH349ARIEL	carl chinn replied on: 4/16/2004 10:00:32 PM Peakie, you are getting soft in your old age. In a way I agree with you both. I think Chinn does ham it up with the voice (then again I say the same thing about Steven Hawkins). Chinnies books are populist and he knows his audience well, rather much anecdote and a little short on political insight for my taste. He is a good ambassador for the city but I think he would be taken a little more seriously if he moderated the accent.
peakyblinder old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/17/2004 9:37:29 AM quote: Peakie, you are getting soft in your old age. In a way I agree with you both. I think Chinn does ham it up with the voice (then again I say the same thing about Steven Hawkins). Chinnies books are populist and he knows his audience well, rather much anecdote and a little short on political insight for my taste. He is a good ambassador for the city but I think he would be taken a little more seriously if he moderated the accent. I don't see why anyone should 'moderate' their accent. Your accent is part of your identity. If you lose it, you lose touch with who you are. The only way you could possibly know that Carl Chinn 'hams up' his accent, incidentally, is if you have heard him speak differently in more, let's say, 'intimate' surroundings. Is there something you are not telling us, Ariel?
NH349ARIEL	carl chinn replied on: 4/18/2004 10:18:16 PM I have not to my knowledge been `intimate` with Dr Chinn. I agree that one should not moderate ones accent, neither should one exaggerate it in the name of populism.
peakyblinder old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/19/2004 8:00:49 AM quote: I have not to my knowledge been `intimate` with Dr Chinn. I agree that one should not moderate ones accent, neither should one exaggerate it in the name of populism. Surely, you mean Prof Chinn MBE? To a certain extent, everyone accommodates the speech of other people. It's only being polite. If I talk to a posh speaker, for example, I find my speech, quite subconsciously veering towards theirs and theirs quite often veering towards mine. I'm not exaggerating it on purpose (nor are they), it just happens. (This is how we 'pick up' accents from other cities/countries when we spend a lot of time there.) The same applies to Prof Chinn when he talks to older people with broad Brummie/Black Country accents on his radio show. You may think that there is some (real or imagined) evil subtext to all of this, but I can assure you that it is something we all do. It's quite natural.
racheymaus old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/19/2004 7:09:34 PM This explains a lot.
peakyblinder old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/19/2004 9:49:15 PM quote: This explains a lot. How so?
racheymaus old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/20/2004 8:16:03 PM If you have to ask...
peakyblinder old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/21/2004 8:13:04 AM ...you'll never know. But I always thought...
racheymaus old hand Rank: Chinny	carl chinn replied on: 4/21/2004 7:12:17 PM WHAT??!!!
NH350Ariel old hand Rank: Ozzy	carl chinn replied on: 5/10/2004 9:26:27 PM I heard Carl Chinn give an eulogy at a funeral on Friday. He was full of Passion, his accent was still brummie but not comedy brummie.
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