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H.J.
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Synchronicity or Not
replied on: 3/6/2006 11:48:26 AM So it seems that Matey is a character in another book then lucky him. |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 3/6/2006 4:32:57 PM by Barriminge |
Mesmer's Merry-Go-Round...
replied on: 3/6/2006 4:32:09 PM quote: So it seems - if you take the view on the 60's which is implied in 'Tainted Love'. Home said at a conference on punk some time ago that 'punk was not year zero'. Also though the original theoretical impulse in punk has been swallowed up by the process of recuperation - particularly in music. I saw the old punk 'Big Graham' (formerly called Tribal) who seemed to have no time for Stewart Home who he described as a 'splitter'. It reminds me of Johnny Rotten's remark about the Clash: " They whine on about unemployment but they've got a job. They play in a band." Yes, Graham (who's been mentioned before on this website)has his circus act and his juggling with an agent to look after him. He's found a product to sell. But is that punk? I don't think that the current criminal and anti-social trends which seem to be part of an unfortunate gathering downhill spiral towards just making people's lives uncomfortable without reason can be compared with the crushing of the hippie myth at Altamont, the influence of heroin on creativity in jazz, or the occasional violence that existed within a closed culture. The big difference now is that everything is known and can very easily itself become product. |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 3/7/2006 11:13:46 AM by Barriminge |
Synchronicity or Not
replied on: 3/7/2006 10:24:21 AM Is Matey out there? Has he got the drift? He is a character again in another novel. The one by Stewart home. What can he say about this? Nobody else could be called 'The Hump'. It's the name that Charlie gave him in the PoMoBP. Home must have imitated the Mitton archetype. That or its a coincidence. There are other references to the Mitton novel in 'Tainted Love'. Home has in effect replied to Mitton's take on the 60's through the character of a mother that he never knew. Even now we have to suspect that the existence of this mother is nothing more than a prank. Think about it. How could a mother that knew all these anti-heroes of the 60's have produced a son that knows all these literary anti-heroes of the present time. It's just too much of a chip off the old block. This is proletarian metatext of autistic proportions. He seems to know everything about everyone and fictionalize them in a disturbingly creative way. So many of the people that have been mentioned in our own perfomance text recurr. His mother ends up and dies in what is at one point implied to be Kentish Town somewhere near the Polytantric church where she first is drawn to in 1972. That was the time when Chaz was at the Polytechnic of North London which is in Kentish Town. The actual place though, Cambridge Gardens, acccording to the A-Z, is in Kilburn or perhaps another one somewhere near Euston. Strangely Home refences also an Oxford Gardens and an Observatory Gardens. Oxford/Cambridge - a marriage. A nod to Sinclair's poles opposite of 'Lud Heat' fame. The line of energy between Greenwich Observatory and the British Museum recalls Blake's 'coincidence of contrarieties' which we are reading into the London - B'ham connection. In 'Tainted Love' 'The Hump' is being tricked into taking heroin but is saved by his own good sense and the watchful eye of the 'mother' figure. I read this just after Matey put his post up about Brian Barrit's abhorrence of heroin. He afterwards disparangingly tries to imply that there is someone more than a fiction behind these posts by using the word 'master'. Then by coincidence the word 'master' appears in the Home text. And by the way, I'm now reading the Barrit book. It captures well the romantic dream that Kerouac has been accused of. He admits to smuggling and using opium and indeed tells us that 'travelling in the east is hard work without opium' which 'can turn the hard wooden slats into air cushions and spin the dry hours away in minutes' (p.17). He says that 'mighty is the power of mother opium'(p.19). Heroin is of course an opiate (just for the uninitiated). At other points the book is proving to be very comfortably 1960's with its references to 'Persia', 'old testament Arabs' and 'moslems'. Its a good read and the errors of which Matey speaks are not outstandingly obvious. Its just that the whole thing does not take into account the lessons that we have learnt since. |
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m8e
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Synchronicity or Not
replied on: 3/7/2006 2:40:01 PM So which came first, then - the Hump character in the PoMoBP, or Davy Humpp the Ketamine Kreep in Landor's Tower? I strongly suspect it was the latter, as the name-play on the Sir Humphrey Davy nitrous oxide connection is simply far too erudite to have been conceived of by the mediocre mind of Mitton. |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 3/8/2006 10:06:00 AM by Barriminge |
Synchronicity or Not
replied on: 3/7/2006 4:24:30 PM quote: The fact is that Mitton synchronized the names in the PoMoBP to both plagiarize and answer back the Sinclair novel and in so doing thought up the nickname of 'The Hump' which has been in turn plagiarized by Stewart.Mitton's protagonist which he in turn calls 'Sammy Mutton' becomes a spokesperson for the spiritual contrary of Sinclair's 'Norton'. As has been mentioned, this has been recognized by Sinclair in two ways. Samuel Silvertsein who died on the 23rd of December 2002 and the mention of a forebear (or great great grandfather Norton) who was the Emperor of the United States. There was a 'Norton' who was an eccentric who lived in San Francisco who gave himself this title.Both Mad Sir Jack Mytton and this eccentric Norton who was likewise an actual character in history by coincidence appear in Catherine Caufield's book on great British eccentrics. The PoMoBP makes references to this and Sinclair recognized the fact and so made mention of it in 'Dining on Stones'. I believe that hedid not know this until he read the 'PoMoBP'. If he did not create this trope in 'DOS'deliberately then it is just an amazing coincidence. Whichever way the Mitton project wins.Basically we have good reason to calculate that this is what Sinclair wants and that both he and Stewart Home both know that at the root of this IS amazing synchronicity and I believe that we have touched on Sinclair's fundamental metaphysical intention.Hence the frequent references in his work to both new science (Sheldrake)and the occult in a way which is not part of any narrative structure but do however echo much of what he wrote in his 'Lud Heat' period. Mitton goes on to reflect in his novel that he has become Sinclair's 'other'. Stewart Home honours this by saying that he has become what amounts to his (m)other (T.L. p.242 onwards).Also he mentions in capital letters (read the book) HOLY NAME while at the end of the PoMoBP Mitton mentions HOLY DAME as a play on(and you would have to read it to understand this) the mysterious question 'what is the opposite of a dog'.At that point Peter Whitehead is also pulled in. To cut a long story short there is some rampant intertextuality occuring which represents something very new and, I believe,is provoked by uncanny correspondances. In other words, do you believe in.....MAGIC? |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy |
English Eccentrics - the opera
replied on: 3/7/2006 4:55:49 PM I notice from this morning's Metro that the Crescent Theatre, Brindleyplace is staging an opera from Thursday to Saturday, called "English Eccentrics." Quote - "Adapted from Dame Edith Sitwell's 1933 book of the same name, Malcolm Williamson's 1964 comic opera English Eccentrics has rarely been performed in recent times. A series of character studies based on peculiar real-life figures from 18th and 19th-century England, Williamson's score and Geoffrey Dunn's amusing libretto were warmly received at the time, despite a rather flimsy plot. Birmingham Conservatoire's production offers a rare chance to witness this operatic curio." Whether or not it will feature Mad Sir Jack setting fire to his nightshirt, it doesn't say. |
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Brummie Handshake
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English Eccentrics - the opera
replied on: 3/7/2006 9:03:05 PM quote: Go to p.24 of the 'Lord Charles Mitton' thread and you will find out what the Tristero really means. |
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Brummie Handshake
This message was updated on 3/7/2006 9:18:30 PM by Brummie Handshake |
English Eccentrics - the opera
replied on: 3/7/2006 9:13:23 PM quote: The following is from www.bikwil.com "All her life Edith Sitwell was notorious for her provocative eccentricities, in her dress as well as her writing. She was no poseuse, however, Leavis notwithstanding, always remaining true to herself. If she was interested in things odd, she used them either to express herself or else as subjects for amused reflection just because they pleased her. Luckily for us, the results of her efforts are infectious, and we are the beneficiaries of not only the nonsense poetry of Façade but also the wry commentary she attaches to her narratives in English Eccentrics. Originally (1931) the work was called The English Eccentrics. Since then there have been at least five other editions, including a Penguin one in 1971, those from 1958 having additional chapters, and no definite article in the title. In 1964 the work inspired an opera in two acts by expatriate Australian composer Malcolm Williamson, with a libretto by Geoffrey Dunn. Knowing little about Sitwell’s book when I first picked it up, I have to confess I was anticipating yarns about contemporaries of hers. But it was not to be. What delights her interest, and appeals enormously to my own evil sense of humour, is a series of maverick vignettes from much earlier times. Let’s cast an exploratory glance in their lunatic direction. At Squire John Mytton (b. 1796), for instance, who tried to scare off his hiccups by setting fire to his nightshirt. Successful? Yes. Appallingly burnt? Yes. Luckily he only tried this on the one occasion, unlike his equestrian stunts, where he was regularly a rampant menace not only to his horses, but to his friends and acquaintances too, especially if they were rash enough to ride in his carriage. Not surprisingly, he didn’t make it past the age of 38." |
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Brummie Handshake
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English Eccentrics - the opera
replied on: 3/7/2006 9:25:28 PM I just noticed when I posted my first reply the that the thread had been viewed 1234 times. My second posting was timed at 4.13.23.ACOP. |
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Brummie Handshake
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English Eccentrics - the opera
replied on: 3/8/2006 1:09:51 AM quote: And I noticed that her nonsense poetry 'Facade' was first performed with music in 1923. m8e 's dissing of the Mittonian has, itseemsbeen walloped by an amazingly uncanny ACOP. |
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H.J.
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English Eccentrics - the opera
replied on: 3/8/2006 9:06:31 AM I'm beginning to understand what you mean by ACOP.m8e should not underestimate Chaz. I know coz hes told me that its his dead friends he's speaking for. He knows about books since he'sbeen a student since I met him first about 40 yrs ago. |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 3/8/2006 12:21:29 PM by Barriminge |
Synchronicity or Not
replied on: 3/8/2006 9:57:59 AM quote: You must have realized by now what an amazing synchromesh worthy of being called an Aetherial Synergy has thus emerged. It was the title 'The Hump' that Mitty conceived of. The ensuing references to Mad Jack and his relationship to 'Norton' excited somehow the appearance of this Edith Sitwell thing at the Crescent. Matey's true role is that of 'intellectual ears to the ground'. This, you must know has happened quite a few times before. These synchronicities are not for entertainment, its as if the knowledge itself is determined to make its prescence felt.It's a pure and magickal coincidence that this musical presentation should suddenly be there. Don't forget that Mitty's playing with a psychogeographical triangle in Brum corresponded at various points with 'Downriver'. And then Brian Catling came to do a show at the Ikon about artists dealing with the paranormal. What's more you then received details of the invitation to present a paper at Coventry University for the 'Living in a Material World' conference.This is rather like that phenomenon where scientists seem to telepathically arrive at the same discoveries at about the same time but with an added demonstrability. It suggests a force guided by laws as yet unaccounted for. Presented with the many other examples of Synergy within the present site, you must realize that you can no longer act the 'Doubting Thomas'. It is becoming far too uncanny!!! |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy |
Synchronicity or Not
replied on: 3/8/2006 12:13:47 PM Err.. this copy of The Road of Excess you say you've been reading - where exactly did you get it? Only it's not for sale in any bookshop (more's the pity), and I can't find my personal signed copy anywhere. Coincidence? |
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KingoftheHeath
Rank: Jasper |
Not Synchronicity...
replied on: 3/8/2006 12:22:42 PM NOP... Tail chasing... |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper |
Synchronicity or Not
replied on: 3/8/2006 1:05:58 PM quote: The book was passed freely to the Major Triad by Charlie Mitton who says, hand on heart , that it was passed freely in the library cafe,to him, by the person who paid for its publication. That was a below the belt inference of petty larceny. Tail chasing indeed. I suggest Matey tries to answer the propositions put to him if that does not require too much application. |
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