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| RMMee Moderator Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 2/17/2006 12:47:43 AM by RMMee | Langley Mill Pubs posted on: 12/8/2002 10:50:25 AM I'm doing some work on the history of Langley Mill's pubs, and would appreciate any reminiscences of days gone by. A list of all the pubs I know of: Starting with the obvious ones: The Horse and Jockey The Erewash Hotel The Railway Tavern The Midland Hotel (now The Mill) The Great Northern (was called the Junction Navigation until the railway was built) The Durham Ox The Charles Napier The Thorntree But what about the less obvious ones - The New Inn (situated on what became Vic Hallam's) The Navigation Inn (closed down when the Midland was built, around 1880) The Anchor Inn (building still there, against the canal - when did that close down?) The Horse and Groom at Crowfields, on Aldercar Lane (I reckon this one had closed by 1880) Can anyone help with the history of any of the above? |
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RNewman
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replied on: 12/13/2002 12:32:19 PM A couple of tales about the Great Northern that I remember my Grandad telling me when I was a lad (he still used to call it 'The Navigation'or ' t' Navi ' ) At one stage in the early part of last century the border between Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire ran through the bar and and as there used to be a half hour difference in closing times between the two counties they used to sound closing time in one half of the bar and everyone used to crowd into the tiny corner that was in Derbyshire which called time later. The other thing was a scandal that rocked Langly Mill some time in the twenties and caused a boycott of the pub by the miners who were its main customers. Regular drinkers at the pub used to have a weekly draw where they all used to scratch their initials on to a penny, drop it into a bag and whoevers penny was drawn by the landlords young daughter got the lot. This had worked well for some time until mysteriously the landlord started winning the pot almost every week. Everyone was baffled, they checked the girls hands before she put her hands in the bag to make sure they were empty, made sure that the bag was empty before they started. All was revealed when one time the girl took an unusually long time to draw out the penny. When asked why she hadn't drawn one out yet she blurted out "Dad, dad I can't feel t' 'ot 'un", it turned out that her dad, the Landlord, used to stand with his back to the fire before the draw with the penny cupped in his hand warming it before the fire, his daughter could then easily pick it out from the others. It was several weeks and free pints before he was forgiven |
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RMMee
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replied on: 12/17/2002 12:10:31 AM I was very interested to see that it was still called "t' Navi" by your grandad. The modern trend for renaming pubs may not be that modern after all!!!! I have heard the story of moving from one room to another at closing time before. I'm not sure that it can have been the Great Northern though - I've looked at quite a few old maps, and the county boundary never seems to have strayed that far from the Erewash. But who can be sure? Perhaps a more likely candidate would have been the New Inn, that was next to the river (on the Notts side), or the Old Navigation (as opposed to the Junction Navigation), which was also next to the Erewash. The story of the fiddle with the raffle is a new one on me - I bet the landlord was really popular! |
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RNewman
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replied on: 12/18/2002 2:31:50 PM It's possible that it could have been one of the other pubs, my Grandad had been a teetotaler (very unusual for a coal face miner!) since he met my grandmother sometime before the first world war (she was a fierce member of the 'blue ribboners') so it was probably something that he had been told but it was a story he always he used to tell me as we walked past the Great Northern. |
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RNewman
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replied on: 12/18/2002 2:43:02 PM I can remember the 'new' Horse and Jockey at the bottom of Dunstead Road being built in the early sixties, the original was close to the road and the new one was built at the same time as the old one was being demolished. It was the first time I'd seen a large building being demolished and it made quite an impression on me. |
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replied on: 4/26/2003 1:10:57 PM I am pretty sure the pub with 2 bars was the New Inn ,where Hallam site is. My father used to take me there in the mid 30s at lunchtime in summer,sit me outside with a bottle of pop and a bag of crisps,and Irememberhim moving to the other bar near closing time. The opening hrs were Notts10-30am to 2-30pm Derbyshire 11am to 3pm. A few yards from the front door was a whirl pool where the carters washed their carts down after a hard days toil. Happy Days |
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suzard
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replied on: 7/5/2003 12:57:43 AM The midland Hotel(now the Mill)is where my grandparents met. My grandfather had returned from military service in India and was staying there where my grandmother worked "in service". They married in 1889, so i assume that in the late 1800s it must have been quite a busy hotel.I recall in the 50s there used to be a mass exodus from the midland at 2-30pm to catch an extra 30 mins drinking time over the border into Nottinghamshire to the Great Northern, where licensing laws were different. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 7/5/2003 1:52:30 AM What was your grandmother's name? (The reason I ask is that I am doing a bit of research into the pubs in Langley Mill, and have the names from the Census Returns - just wondered if she was on my list already.) Running across the border for an extra pint seems to be a common theme in the area! Thanks for your comments |
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Russell Saxton
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replied on: 8/31/2003 6:31:53 PM I suspect urban myth at work here as the same story is repeated in Spike Milligans 'Puckoon' about a pub on the Irish border. However its still possible, I remember the different opening hours in Notts and Derby and the Northern came under the Notts ruling. |
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suzard
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replied on: 12/13/2004 1:01:46 PM My Grandmother was Elizabeth Cresswell-but I doubt if she "lived in"-as she only lived on Bridge St! |
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replied on: 12/13/2004 1:07:36 PM The Charles Napier at Aldercar was nicknamed "The Top House"-didn't know it's correct name for years-presumably it was called that as it was at the top of the hill, wheras the Durham Ox was half way up. My dad's cousin used to keep the Durham Ox-he died there in 1951-and my parents had their wedding reception there in the "Club room". If you have any info on Tommy Dennis (or wife Minnie) would be grateful to receive it. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 12/13/2004 6:42:42 PM Prior to Thomas Dennis (who was licensee from 1938 to 1951) the pub was run by Charles Henry Dennis (from at least 1902). After Tommy's death, Minnie kept the licence for a further year, until Roy Haslam took over in July 1952. Charles Dennis was done for licensing offences twice: On 2/6/1902 he was fined 30/- for staying open after closing time. On 22/6/1908 he was prosecuted for permitting drunks to be on his premises, but the case was dismissed. Nothing recorded against Tommy. Any idea what structural alterations were made to the pub around 1954? |
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replied on: 12/13/2004 11:40:46 PM Charles Henry Dennis was Tommy's father-at the time of 1901 census he lived at 2 Dean St Langley Mill and was a "potter throwing clay"-so he must have moved to the Durham Ox the following year.His wife Ann and new born daughter Ann both died New Years Eve 1914 and Charles died 29 Dec 1938 at 89 Cromford Rd.Tommy died at the Durham Ox.The family are trying to find what happened to Minnie-so you've filled us in on another year of where she was. She was still in the area in 1960's -but she's not buried with Tommy and his parents. The family all said she would outlive us all-maybe she's still out there!!! I don't know what alterations took place, but on some census forms for the Durham Ox and the Napier it gives several families as living at the premises-as if the cottages adjoining the pubs belonged to them-must check out where 89 Cromford Rd is-if its joined on to the pub it's possible that after Minnie left it became part of the pub.I'll ask my auntie -she may know. |
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Leesw
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replied on: 12/17/2004 2:34:05 PM I went to the Boys School for two years 1954-56 and can remember the old Horse and Jockey at the bottom of Dunstead Road. It was a singl building with a skittle yard in the back garden. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 12/18/2004 4:23:52 AM I don't suppose you have a photo of the old boys' school - believe it or not, it is something the History Society has found very elusive! Keen to hear anything more about the old Horse & Jockey. I've seen pictures of it, but can't remember it myself. |
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replied on: 1/7/2005 12:08:31 AM I can remember it-vaguely-remember the new one being built-think the old one was a flat fronted building with windows all the same size- very symmetrical-the size of the old sash windows on terraced houses, but I think the panes of glass were in small squares-think the walls were painted cream. my Dad used to tell the tale of the landlord at one time having a pet monkey which used to have free run of the bar.... but then my dad would have had a drink when he went in there!!! |
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