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Peter Chamberlain
Researcher Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 3/29/2005 12:21:24 PM by Peter Chamberlain |
The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 11:57:12 AM Dinah Stirland on 1891 CENSUS Still on Ray street Aged 4 William in the 1881c, her father appears to be part of a large Stirland Family which has his brother as Henry who i believe to be my Aunt Amy Elizabeth Stirland(nee Torr)s Father in Law |
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Azzabuv
Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 3/29/2005 12:23:15 PM by Azzabuv |
The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 12:02:34 PM Thanks, Peter. Was she still at 195 Ray St;? That's if it shows it. Fingers crossed here. Dinah Hardy/Wragg lived with her husband, Henry Hardy, at 108, Ray St; The time period which i know about is from 1916 to 1923, when Henry died and she moved, with her children, to Berle House, Smalley. (Another mystery, concerning wherever the house was there). I'm wondering if Dinah swopped her maiden name for some reason - from Stirland to Wragg? I've heard of this name swopping, but never come across it. Is Dinah Stirland/Wragg one and the same person? If it is, the mind boggles as to why. Azzabuv. |
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suegill
Researcher Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 3/29/2005 12:33:42 PM by suegill |
The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 12:19:30 PM It doesn't give the number on Ray Street its just schedule 128. Have you looked at the genogold database. There are lots of Derbyshire Wraggs on there. I assume you have the details of DW #1 Dinah Wragg grave no 3258 Daughter of the late George Wragg, Woodend Heanor. Buried 24 Nov 1884 Sue |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 12:34:16 PM Dinah Wragg #1, couldn't have been Dinah#2s Mother, because she died 2-3 years before she was born, but she could have been the Mother of the Dinah Wragg who died in the late 1890s, aged 14. (From Derby Rd;). This is getting convoluted? I'll check the Site out which you mention, Sue. Azzabuv. |
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Peter Chamberlain
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 12:36:22 PM Azza Don't know if its the same number but she has the same neighbour one Joseph North and his family, Joseph Bn Ruddington on both 1891 and 1901 |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 12:42:35 PM Perhaps we're all Relatives and just don't know it yet through the Stirland connection, if it's true and correct? Azzabuv. P.S. I talked to the Stirland's, of Thorpes Rd; a couple of years ago by 'phone. I was trying to trace my real Mother, seeing if the Step-mother had meant my Mother had married into that Family. No joy, they'd never heard of a Hardy/Ratcliffe joining their Family. |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 1:12:23 PM Hi, On the 1891 Derbyshire census index the name is Donah? and this is all the D Wragg's on the index. if there's any dates that I could look up in the papers that would help let me know, I did have a look in the Ripley paper 1923 for Henry Hardy's death report but didnt find one. Stirland Daur -1 Ilkeston RG12/2664 99 26 142 Stirland Donah 4 Heanor RG12/2663 70 23 128 Wragg Daur 1m Litchurch RG12/2733 106 27 151 Wragg David 49 Stanton RG12/2774 114 2 12 Wragg Dora 7 Lea RG12/2750 136 7 43 Wragg Dora Elizabeth 1 Crich RG12/2746 101 28 182 Wragg Dorothy Emma 2m Chesterfield RG12/2761 102 35 212 |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 1:25:45 PM Hi, Jenny. Yes, 'Donah' certainly fits the birth time-frame of 1886/7. I'll check into that on the Census. Henry did die in 1923, according to official figures from the Ripley Cemetery records department for the Marlpool cemetery. Thanks. Azzabuv. |
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suegill
Researcher Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 3/29/2005 1:55:32 PM by suegill |
The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 1:54:57 PM Just checked my tree and its a different William and Mary Stirland, although it could still be the same family, just a previous generation?. My Mary Stirland (born 1843)(Great grandmother) was the child of William Stirland (1807) and Sarah Rhodes (1810). Brothers and sisters include John (1833) Samuel (1834) Daniel (1838) Hannah (1841) |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 2:28:08 PM I think you've got it right, Sue, R.E. the Stirland ancestors. Hardy Burial Dates - Henry Hardy - buried 03/10/1923, aged 43. Dinah Hardy nee Wragg? - buried 04/12/1957 according to the council burial records for Marlpool Cemetery. From the Marlpool Burial Records on Site, the date for Dinah is 1955. Azzabuv. |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 2:54:01 PM In the 1881 Surname Atlas, there were 660 Wragg's and 165 Dinah's in Derbys. alone. Well, i've got the needle and now the proverbial haystack too. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 3:01:34 PM Hi, have you already found this: Heanor Burials 5279 Wragg 5272 William Enoch Wragg son of Dinah Wragg singlewoman 5m Ray St Heanor 810 19th April 1907. |
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suegill
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 3:06:27 PM I checked on FreeBMD and there is no birth record for a Dinah Stirland. There is an entry Dec Q 1886 Basford 7b 130 for a Di_o_ Wragg Sue |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 3:25:15 PM That certainly seems to be of some significance, Jenny. It was a GREAT sin to be an unmarried Mother at that perticular time period. Could this be a strong enough 'sin' to lead to a surname name change on Dinah's part? Azzabuv. |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 3/29/2005 3:32:33 PM What would that last name be, Sue, Dinoh. There must have been some sloppy pens about at that time. If not, it's a completely different person by that actual name of Dinoh. However, the Birthdate seems to fit Dinah Wragg. Was this actually in Basford, or Basford registration District? Azzabuv. |
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