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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 4/5/2005 1:01:22 AM I know what you mean, Samantha - running round in circles. I'm waiting till i get Dinah Hardy/Wraggs marriage certificate, sometime this week, hopefully. When i see her Father's name, things should become a little clearer for me? I just hope the name isn't Esau. It's enough of a puzzle as it is now - Hardy - Wragg - Stirland? Surely enough is enough? Azzabuv. |
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Peter Chamberlain
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 4/5/2005 7:05:40 AM A Henry Fretwell Can be followed on the 1871/81/91/01 CENSUS AT HEANOR In 1871 he is unmarried. 81/91/01 he is married to a Rachel ? In 1871 he has a brother named Enos.Samantha if you care to send your E-MAIL to ROBERT MEE to pass onto me i can send you the 4 images. Henry FRETWELL married Rachel at Cotmanhay 17/08/1878 IGI,Rachel's maiden name given as Fretwell Free BMD gives a marriage Sept Qtr 7B 137 On the page entries ***bel Fretwell appears to be the wifes name,i think this is Rachel and the given name is not clear on the GRO film.Could she be a cousin. |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 4/5/2005 8:04:50 AM Hi, On the 1851 census there's two Henry Fretwell's about the same age. Fretwell,Henry,10,,2126,123,59 Fretwell,Henry,7,,2126,20,124 If he had a brother Enos this could be Henry's first marriage? 20 Oct 1874 Henry Fretwell* aged 21 Bachelor of Heanor occupation Miner father William Fretwell, Alice Caulton* aged 25 spinster of Heanor father George Caulton occupation Publican, wittnessed by Enos Fretwell* and Sarah Fretwell* (* made Mark) Jenny |
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Peter Chamberlain
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 4/5/2005 12:09:00 PM According to 1871/81/91/ census my Henry born 1845 had a father William a sister Sarah and a Brother Enos |
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Jennypeg
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replied on: 4/5/2005 12:54:43 PM Hi Peter, All the names fit but not the age, I've looked for a death (Alice) on the Heanor burials but not found her also found some more marriages: Heanor Marriages 3rd Feb 1840 William Fretwell* 25 Bachelor occupation Collier of Heanor father William Fretwell Collier, Elizabeth Roome * 19 spinster occupation servant of Heanor father John Roome occupation Labourer, witnessed by Timothy Smith* and Fanny Fretwell* Heanor Marriages 24th April 1843 Abraham Fretwell* 21 bachelor occupation Collier of Shipley father James Fretwell occupation Collier, Hannah Davis* 17 spinster of Shipley father John Davis occupation Collier, witnessed by Richard Noon* and Mary Davis* Heanor Marriages 25 December 1843 George Fretwell* 24 bachelor occupation Collier of Shipley Wood father Benjamin Fretwell occupation Collier, Mary Earnshaw* 25 spinster of Cotmanhay father Elishah occupation Collier, witnessed by Thomas Walker* and Hannah Walker* Heanor Marriages 16th Sept 1844 Joseph Smith 22 bachelor occupation Wharf-man of Ilkeston father Joseph Smith occupation Wharf-man, Mary Ann Fretwell* 21 spinster of Shipley father Job Fretwell occupation Wharf-man, witnessed by Lol Fretwell* and George Smedley* Heanor Marriages 25th March 1860 Soloman Fretwell* 25 bachelor occupation Collier of Heanor father William Winfield occupation Labourer, Ann Oxley* 22 spinster of Heanor father Richard Oxley occupation Collier, witnessed by Harriet Oxley* and William Birks Heanor Marriages 20 October 1874 Henry Fretwell 21 bachelor occupation Miner father William Fretwell occupation miner, Alice Caulton 25 spinster of Heanor father George Caulton occupation Publican, witnessed by Enos Fretwell* and Sarah Fretwell* Heanor Marriages 20 July 1884 Joseph Fretwell 21 bachelor occupation miner father Enos Fretwell occupation Miner, Harriet Singleton 21 spinster of Marlpool father Jonathan Singleton occupation Miner, witnessed by John Mee and Sally Mee* Baptisms Heanor Elizabeth ye dau of Thos & Elizabeth Fretwell of Shipley Wood bapt May ye 1 1772 Josiah son of Thomas & Elizabeth Fretwell bapt Nov 12 1782 24 Nov 1793 John Fretwell illegitimate son of Mary Bella-Barber of Shipley Jenny |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 4/5/2005 2:03:15 PM Hi, 1861 census RG9/2435 sch 106 Marlpool Lane George Hardy head 44 coal miner Shipley Harriet Hardy wife 42 Heanor Enoch Hardy son 18 coal miner Heanor Alfred Hardy son 16 coal miner Heanor Eliza Hardy dau 15 seamer hose Heanoe Harriet Hardy dau 8 Heanor Mary Hardy dau 6 Heanor Esau? Hardy son 4 Heanor Kate Hardy dau 1 Heanor also copied the Fretwell's down if you would like them? It looks like the Hardy's and Fretwells were from Shipley ? Jenny |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/5/2005 7:46:51 PM Thanks, Jenny. Thankfully/Hopefully, this should be the Hardy group i'll be delving into when? Dinah's M.C. finally arrives here. I know Alfred and Kate are in another person's Tree i'm sharing with at Marlpool. I hope it all pans out. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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replied on: 4/6/2005 8:45:41 AM Hi, Heanor Marriages 11th April 1842 George Hardy* 21 bachelor occupation Collier of Shipley father William Hardy occupation Collier, Harriot Clay* 20 spinster of Heanor father Samuel Clay occupation Collier, witnessed by Job Brown* and Eliza Straw* Jenny |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 4/8/2005 1:47:20 PM .................................................................THE Marriage Certificate.............................................................. The Registration District of Belper, Derbys. in the Parish of Heanor, at the Parish Church, after Banns, 07/09/1907. Henry Hardy, aged 26, w. Miner, of Thorpes Rd; Heanor. Father - *Alfred* Hardy. Miner. Dinah Wragg, aged 21, Spinster, of 174, Ray St; Heanor. Father - Edward Wragg, Deceased. Witnesses - Enoch Gillott & Agnes Gillott. Curate - C. H. Weller. ***************************************************************************************** Henry's immediate Family, seems to be the following, provided by Jenny, 05/04/2005 with the 1861 Census, with a little bit of 'adding' needed? Hardy, George, - G-Father, aged 44, Coal miner, Bn. 1817, Shipley. Hardy, Harriet nee Clay, - G-Mother, aged 42, Bn. 1819, Heanor. Hardy, Enoch, - Son, aged 18, Coal miner, Bn. 1843, Heanor. Hardy, *Alfred*, - Son, aged 16, Coal miner, Bn. 1845, Heanor. Hardy, Elizabeth, - Daughter, aged 15, Hose seamer, Bn. 1846, Heanor. Hardy, Harriet, - Daughter, aged 8, Bn. 1853, Heanor. Hardy, Mary, - Daughter, aged 6, Bn. 1855, Heanor. Hardy, Esau, - Son, aged 4, Bn. 1857, Heanor. Hardy, Kate, - Daughter, aged 1, Bn. 1860, Heanor. Here's Esau, popping up again and there's still a bit of fixing to do, but it's a rough guide for the other related Hardy Families to see what developes along the line and if any 'swops' become available. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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replied on: 4/8/2005 9:01:06 PM Hi, 1841 Marlpool Samuel Clay 45 collier Y Catherine Clay 45 Y Harriot Clay 15 Y John Clay 15 Y Ruth Clay 6 Y Samuel Clay 2 Y 1851 Samuel Clay 55 2126 7 20 Catherine 55 2126 7 20 John Clay 25 2126 18 113 Ruth Clay 15 2126 7 20 Samuel 11 2126 7 20 1841 Marlpool Henry Hunt 22 cord-wainer Y Elizabeth Hunt 20 Y John Smith 20 coal miner George Hardy 20 coal miner Y 1871 Marlpool Alfred Hardy head 27 coal miner Marlpool Mary Hardy wife 26 Marlpool Abel Hardy son 8 scholar Marlpool George Hardy son 6 Marlpool Alexander Hardy son 6 Marlpool Catherine Hardy dau 1 marlpool Jenny |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/8/2005 9:43:12 PM Hi, Jenny. The first section of Clays appear to be a close off-shoot to George Hardy's Wife. Do you think they should have called ALL the Heanor area - Hardyville? But the 1871 Marlpool Hardys do come into the shared Family trees. Mary is a revelation to all, much better than simply logged as 'Unknown'. Someone's going to be thankful of that addition. Thanks. Have you noticed any information on Dinah's deceased Father, Edward. I've searched through about most of the local area, but he doesn't show up yet on the 1891 Census. It's a Wragg desert completely in Eastwood. Not a one. I was thinking about when he died and also if her Mother was deceased and the possible connection with the Ray St; Stirlands. If she was only a couple of years of age if that situation occurred - was she taken in/fostered by the Stirlands. I say this based on the fact that she does not show up on the 1901 Census. That may be a possible explanation? Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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replied on: 4/8/2005 11:26:02 PM Hi, This could be the one! Death: 2370 Wragg 2364 Edward Wragg Miner 27 of Loscoe Rd 3082 25th January 1887 1881 Dwelling: Commonside Private Census Place: Heanor, Derby, England Source: FHL Film 1341792 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3324 Folio 49 Page 30 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary WRAGG W 45 F Heanor, Derby, England Rel: Head Occ: Seamstress Edward WRAGG U 21 M Barnsley, York, England Rel: Son Occ: Coal Miner Dinah WRAGG 11 F Heanor, Derby, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/9/2005 10:18:08 AM Jenny. Edward, - died 1887, does seem to fit the bill as Dinah's Father. She would have been aged around the 1 year of age mark at that time. The 1881 Edward, also fits the age bracket as above. However, naturally!! the 11 year old Dinah doesn't, having been born too early for *Dinah* and also as well, that Dinah doesn't fit the Dinah Wragg, of Derby Rd; who died at the age of 14 in the early-mid 1890s. What a to do? Will now try to gather dazed, spinning thoughts as to who was really who in the whole situation. It's just that 1901 Census omission stumbling block which is the problem and the then following, 'maybe/could be' factual situation(s). Anyway, Jenny. Thanks again. You've been a great help. Azzabuv. |
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 4/14/2005 3:40:07 PM Just been reading through this section. So I thought I would have a look on my tree to see if any names appear. I have a Amy Hardy who married John Froggatt, they had a son John who married one of my Lomax's Elizabeth (Betty), also I have a Ruth Clay who married Jeremiah Lomax, they had at lesat 8 children, before Ruth died in 1871. Are they related to your people? |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 4/14/2005 4:36:24 PM Hi, Elaine. I don't think there's an absolute direct connection. Amy married John Froggatt/Forggett? - 04/10/1828. A Ruth Clay, of Marlpool, is mentioned above, aged 6 in 1841 and 15 in 1851. She must have been aged 36, when she died in 1871. If this is the same Ruth? Azzabuv. |
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