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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 7/11/2005 2:41:03 PM It's a nice history of the Hall, Sue, but finishes details of the families involved after the 1891 Census, before the Hardy's acquired it. Apparently it was the 'Shipley Hall' of that area. Nice place. Azzabuv. |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 7/24/2005 2:44:36 PM Hi, Jenny and Suegill. A new thought has popped up. R.E. the woman sitting and holding the baby in the photograph on the Smalley Forum = 'D.H. and Berle House' thread. Do you have any information on a Eve, or Eva Wragg, who would have been around the late 20s in the mid-1890s? (Photograph). Comparisons. The seated woman (in the photograph) and my first Daughter, now sadly deceased, are VERY similar facially. Their two hairstyles are an EXACT match. Someone had my 10 year old Daughter's hair cut exactly as shown in that photograph in 1973. This was either my pretend 'mother', or her own mother, just before my Daughter left her, to came back from her house, to live with me permanently. Why cut in that identicle style, i don't know, as i did not know of the 'E' photograph till almost two years ago. So, it was not deliberately cut in that style for my benefit, but someone elses. The question is who and why? Early last year, i remember seeing briefly the name Eve, or Eva, signed in an old book she had sent to Dinah Hardy/Stirland/Wragg in 1912. The book is, of course, no longer available to view. It exists, but is 'out of bounds'. Pathetic. So many twists along the way. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 7/24/2005 4:12:29 PM Hi Azzabuv, there's no memorial inscriptions for "Wragg" in Marlpool cemetery, but they could still be buried there,if I find anything I will post it, unless I find a death or marriage report with Eve/Eva in the newspapers or info before 1901, maybe your best bet is to work your way back with certificates!thats the only way to be sure you have the right people. Jenny P.s if on the birth certificate there's a time of birth it could be that child is a twin! |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 7/24/2005 4:26:07 PM Hi Azzabuv, CENSUS FOR DERBYSHIRE 1891 Wragg Eva 29 Litchurch RG12/2735 65 21 131 Wragg Eveline 7 Brampton & Walton RG12/2765 66 3 17 Wragg Eveline 5 Youlgrave RG12/2774 92 4 26 Wragg Evelyn M 2 Brampton & Walton RG12/2765 13 19 110 Jenny |
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suegill
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 7/24/2005 5:44:09 PM Here she is in 1901 Albert Warn abt 1870 Derby, Derbyshire, England Boarder Derby Derbyshire Eva Wragg abt 1862 Markfield, Leicestershire, England Wife Derby Derbyshire Isaac J Wragg abt 1892 Derby, Derbyshire, England Son Derby Derbyshire James Wragg abt 1860 Derby, Derbyshire, England Head Derby Derbyshire Civil parish: Derby Ecclesiatical parish: St Chad County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England RG13/3224 Derby 92 11 13 Sue |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 7/24/2005 7:42:50 PM All the names and several more Wragg Families in the Litchurch and Youlgreave RG12s searched and located - but their ages don't fit and no Dinah anywhere. Thanks for the information though, Jenny. It was worth a try. Azzabuv. |
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 7/24/2005 7:50:56 PM Yes, i picked her up as above, too, Sue. They lived at Portland? St; Derby. Eva seems to be the correct age, just about, with the photograph?, but as before, no Dinah is listed for anytime in connection with her and James. They seemed to have changed their borders at times too. I picked a Tom Wain up on the 1891 Census, who was lodging with them. Cheers. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 9/1/2005 5:45:33 PM Hi, Marlpool Cemetery (headstone, memorial inscription, M.I.s) HARDY A. - G33 Agnes A. E. - N284 Albert – O72 Annie Elsie – S239 Beatrice – L114 Benjamin – G19, G29 Catherine – G29 Charlotte – I 172a Dennis George – W47 Edith Mabel – H 147 Eliza Ann – I121 Elizabeth - G19, G29, J26a Elizabeth Gertrude – T226 Elizabeth Leedham - G29 Emma – Q72 Esther Mary – U61 Eric – W101 Frederick – T234 George – U61 George Henry – L262 Henry – I172a, T35 Irene – J41 Ivy Lilian – L263 Jack – S69 Joseph – N284 Joseph F. – R9 Maria – N77, D53 Mr & Mrs – A33 Neil Thomas - V149 Pheobe – T30 Rosa – G19 Sarah E. – N130 Thomas - D53 Walter Wright – T226 Wilfred W. – P15 William – G29, J41 William Alfred – I 121 Jenny |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 9/1/2005 5:59:37 PM Thanks, Jenny. One particular name leaps out - 'Walter' Wright Hardy'? Is there any further info. concerning him? Dinah wouldn't be among them, she, her husband Henry, daughter Amy and son Ken have no headstones, conviently enough. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 9/1/2005 6:54:11 PM Hi, T226 In Loving Memory of / Walter Wright Hardy/ died May 15th 1950/ aged 64 years/ also / Elizabeth Gertrude / Hardy / died Feby 17th 1961/ aged 77 yrs (marble headstone on reconstituted base with ceramic vase) Jenny |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 9/1/2005 7:59:56 PM Thanks, Jenny. I'll see what i can make of this. It's a new thought/angle. But i did hear the name 'G-Dad Walter' in connection with me, mentioned briefly - once, over the years. The other two G-Dads which i do know of were both first-named Henry. Dear oh dear. It's enough to make you want to spit at times. Azzabuv. |
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 11/4/2005 11:12:22 AM Thanks for the recent '1851 Hardy Census', Peter. But, i now find i have three of that same Census. However, if you come across a detailed '1831 Hardy Census', please feel free to send it poste haste. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 11/9/2005 3:42:38 PM Hi Azzabuv, If Kate Hardy was a twin (born 1916) and twins were born 1939? I could look them up for you at the family records office? Jenny |
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Azzabuv
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 11/9/2005 4:20:54 PM I'd be forever in your debt, Jenny. Many thanks. I once saw two 1930 school leaving certificates - both with the name Kate Hardy on them. One was dated 1916 and the other one was dated 1914. Twins/look-a-likes with a two year age gap? But, of course, one certificate could have been temporarily lost, then found again, but with a two year age discrepancy with the new replacement? It's all if's maybe's and but's. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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The Hardy Family of Heanor.
replied on: 11/10/2005 12:54:15 PM Hi Azzabuv, no problem, I will be going at the end of the month I'm just sorting out my list of look-up's. Jenny |
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