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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
posted on: 12/7/2004 12:27:41 PM

On the 1881 census I have found a William West, aged 61 who at the time of the census was visiting his daughter: Mary H.J. Brooks, aged 26. The census states that she was head of the household and living on New Street. Also living in the house was : Harriet Brooks aged 24 - who it states as being wife of Mary...both listed as females??? Also their 5 year old daughter Lyda Brooks, and a male lodger Thomas Pearson aged 21. Can anyone provide me with any more information on this West family...I am looking for Henry West, born in Langley Mill in 1848.
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/7/2004 1:31:58 PM

Hi, Jen.
I've just checked the 1891 Census for Langley Mill, but unfortunately there is no one by the name Of Henry West.

Admitted, some of the writing is a bit dodgy, so if you have time, perhaps another check?
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/7/2004 1:51:27 PM

At the time of the 1881 census Henry West (my great,great grandfather) had already moved form Langley Mill and was married and living in Mossley Lancashire. I am trying to trace back to his forefarthers in Langley Mill, but haven't had any luck so far!
Thanks for checking anyway.
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/7/2004 2:23:21 PM

Maybe this will help-Looks like the MARY HJ BROOKS on 1881 census should be HARRY or HENRY!1881 living New St Long Eaton
Here they are on 1901:RG13 3209 6 3 18
39 Station Road Long Eaton
HENRY BROOKS head M 45 Lace Maker/shopkeeper b. Heanor
HARRIET J wife 44 b. Heanor
WILLIAM H son 19 Dresser of lace b. Long Eaton
FLORENCE P daugh 17 Winder of lace b. Long Eaton
MABEL daugh 14 b. Long Eaton
LESLIE son 9 b. Long Eaton
J. HOYETT son in law 25 Wagon Repairer b. Burton on Trent
LYDIA HOYETT daugh 25 b. Heanor
DORIS HOYETT grandaughter 4 b. Long Eaton
PERCY HOYETT grandson 3 b. Long Eaton
PERCY HOYETT grandson 3 wks b. Long Eaton
Seems PERCY was entered twice-age 3 yrs and then 3 wks!!!!
HENRY WEST on 1881 on RG11 4059 65 28 describes himself as being born DERBY!
Can't find any birth of Henry in Basford reg dist(which would cover Langley Mill
but did find the following births
HENRY WEST Sept qtr 1848 Derby West 19 532
HENRY WEST Dec qtr 1848 Mansfield 15 532.
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This message was updated on 12/7/2004 2:30:42 PM by Azzabuv

WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/7/2004 2:29:09 PM

Hi again, Jenny.

Here's a few past Heanor Marriages which might help you?

William West m. Martha Platts - 22/07/1804.

John West ...m. Mary Sawyer - 05/05/1823.

William West m. Dorothy Critch- 26/02/1827.
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/7/2004 2:35:44 PM

May be of interest:1881 census RG11 3324 16
shows WILLIAM WEST 60 b.Sheapshead(should be Shepshed!), Leicester Framework Knitter
CATHERINE WEST wife 59 b Heanor
living at Loscoe Rd Heanor
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that WILLIAM is entered again at his daughters in Long Eaton-putting Heanor as birth place 'cos that is where he lived!
Also baptisms Heanor St Lawrence
all on 11/4/1852 MARY, MARTHA and JOHN WEST-Parents WILLIAM/CATHERINE-WILLIAM'S OCC fRAME WORK KNITTER
There are more WEST baptisms on the site-but not children of WILLIAM
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/8/2004 9:23:14 AM

Email I've received from Gill of census record (1869?)

"I was looking at the census and found this hope it help's:
RG9/2435 sch 99 page 94
Loscoe Rd Heanor
William West head 40 F.W.K. Leic Shepshead
Catherine West wife 39 Heanor
Mary West dau 19 Heanor
John West son 15 Lace Maker Heanor
Sarah A. West dau 6 scholar Heanor
Harriett J? dau 4 Heanor
William H. West son 1 Heanor"

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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/8/2004 10:01:58 AM

Thanks Gill, via Robert.....My great grandfather Henry West was born in Langley Mill in 1848, and so would have been 21 yrs old at the time of the 1869 census....so could be the eldest child of this family of Wests, having already left home.......On the 1881 census Henry was married to Fanny Harrop and living in Mossley, with the first 3 of his 6 children...the 5th of which was my grandfather Herbert born in 1884 (born in Mossley). What I could do with is an earlier census than 1869 which would then put Henry still living at home....can anyone help?
Jen
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/8/2004 2:37:17 PM

Can look at 1851 for Langley Mill area next time I visit library-but it won't be until middle of January.

I have found a west marriage among my family papers-don't think its relevant at moment, but who knows eventually?
Marriage at St Johns Aldercar9next to Langley Mill)
10 Feb 1940
STANLEY CLARENCE WEST 22 Private RASC Manners Hotel Colwick Rd Nottingham-father JOSEPH WILLIAM WEST, Wests Hotel Proprietor
married
GWENDOLINE MARY HOLMES 20 102 Upper Dunstead Rd Aldercar father JAMES EDGAR HOLMES hosiery hand
Witnesses BESSIE DUFFIELD OLIVER JAMES HOLMES
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/8/2004 4:15:59 PM

I've been looking at the 1841 census for Heanor:
Lane End
William West 59 cotton F.W.K. No
Martha West 60 Yes (Yes = born in Derbyshire)
Elizabeth Platt? 55 seamstress Yes
William West 20 F.W.K. Yes.

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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/8/2004 4:24:14 PM

Hi Jenny,
Henry wasn't born until 1848 so its possible that the 20yr old William was his father, and the 59yr old his grandfather..the 1851 census would confirm this.
Thanks for info.
Jen
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/11/2004 10:19:41 PM

Hi again Sue....I think that someone has tracked him down for me....I have had the following message in reply my posting on Ancestry :...

Hi Jen

I looked through the 1861 census for Heanor and found an area called Langley in the district of Heanor, which would tie in with some of your information.
I could find only one Henry West in Heanor but I'm not sure he's your man, as the birth date and place don't match.

Heanor, Mount Street Piece 2435 pg 103.
Lydia Rosere, head, um, 37, school teacher, York, Ecclisall.
Sarah A Rosere, sister, um, 34, post office assistant, York, Ecclisall.
Ann Rosere, niece, um, 31, school teacher, Derby.
Henry West, boarder, 10, scholar, Derby, Shipley.
Arthur West, boarder, 8, scholar, Derby, Shipley.
Henry Cartlidge, boarder, 6, scholar, Derby.
.......................................................................
This all adds up to it being my g.grandfather because his wife Fanny Harrop was born in Ecclesall Bierlow...so there is a link there-even though Ecclesall is spelt in two different ways. I still cannot find any record of their marriage...and any adea how Shipley came into the equation??!!?? I would assume that Arthur was his younger brother also! I would still appreciate any more information though Sue.

Cheers,
Jen x




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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/12/2004 5:24:04 PM

Hi, Jen.

RE Mount St; Heanor. Was there by any fluke of a chance, an address number, or any other information concerning which house the people above lived in?
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/13/2004 8:56:17 AM

Hi Azzabuv,
No, no number just Mount Street. I have been reading the church section, and notice that there is a chapel on Mount Street. In view of the fact that he lived with 2 teachers, do you think that the chapel could have doubled as a school in 1861? I have no idea why he was a boarder, and not living at home?!
Jen
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/13/2004 1:03:44 PM

Hi, Jen.

Off hand, i don't have the Mount St; Chapel's history.

The Chapel itself was demolished decades ago. It's Site is now a ubiquitous car-park.
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WILLIAM WEST/HENRY WEST
replied on: 12/13/2004 3:04:26 PM

Hang around awhile, Jen. Some information might roll in as for the below.

Does anyone know when the old school/Academy, situated mid-way on the jitty/lane running from Ray St; to Broadway and lessons taken by Mr. Hodgson Grassby, was first designated as an Academy/school?

There is a photograph dated c.1894, but no further information.

The old Academy building still stands? a short way from the top of Mount St;
Azzabuv.
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