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| RMMee Moderator Quote | Reply | | Aldercar Hall posted on: 1/3/2003 6:11:38 AM The following is a quote from "The Lost Houses of Derbyshire" (2002) by Craven and Stanley. "Aldercar Park, Heanor Demolished in 1962 to make way for a new comprehensive school, this 4 bay 3 storey coursed rubble house had a substantial Arts and Crafts wing, almost Queen Anne Revival. It was added in the 1890s by Arthur Fitzherbert Wright, perhaps to designs by Naylor & Sale of Derby (a firm used elsewhere by the family), as the new entrance front. Thomas Burton built a house here in 1668 with a fine timber staircase. In the early 18th century the Milnes bought it but eventually sold it to the Jessops, from whom it came to the Butterley Company. Under their ownership, it later became a preparatory school until purchased in 1898 by Fitzherbert Wright..." The text is accompanied by copies of two postcards, dated 1912 and 1900. So, am I the only one to question this....? 1. I take it that by Aldercar Park Heanor the authors mean Aldercar Hall? Or was Aldercar Park somewhere else? 2. If it was Aldercar Hall, it could not have been knocked down to make way for a comprehensive school, as it was some distance away from the present Aldercar Comprehensive. 3. Was a building knocked down to make way for Aldercar Comprehensive? 4. Can the dates be correct, as I know that Francis Beresford Wright was already living at Aldercar Hall in 1881? |
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Peter Chamberlain
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replied on: 1/4/2003 10:22:03 PM ALDERCAR HALL AS I KNEW IT WAS DOWN THE LANE JUST BEYOND NELLIE SMITH'S TOLL GATE. THE ONLY LARGE HOUSE I CAN THINK BEING NEAR THE SCHOOL WAS GODKIN HOUSE. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 2/16/2003 9:08:02 AM I've had a reply from the authors, saying, in effect, that the information they printed came to them years ago, they never had reason to doubt it, and that Aldercar Hall was not a building they had personally done any work on. I think the next edition of their book will read slightly differently! |
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suzard
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replied on: 2/23/2004 1:28:17 PM Aldercar Hall was certainly down the lane and Godkin House was demolished for the school. I have athe Census record for Aldercar Hall in 1881-it reads as follows: FRANCIS BERESFORD WRIGHT, head of household, age 43, born Radcliffe on Trent, J> P. For Co of Derby, MA Cambridge ADELINE FRANCES HENRIETTA WRIGHT, wife, 37, born Corfu, Greece, British Subject ADELINE FRANCESCA WRIGHT, daughter, 17, born Aldercar Hall RICHARD BERESFORD WRIGHT,son,10 born Aldercar Hall LUCIEN FRANCIS DE LA MARLALLIES WRIGHT,son, 10 born Aldercar Hall IVAN FITZHERBERT WRIGHT, son,5, born Aldercar Hall MATILDA GRABER,visitor,31 born Thoune, Switzerland,Teacher MARIA BOJARSKA,37, b. Diessen Switzerlan, Lady's Maid MARGARET ALEXANDER, 36, b. Renth, Scotland,Housekeeper JANE ELIZA WAINMAN, 41,, b. Carlton, Nottingham,Laundry Maid ELIZABETH SARAH SPILLETO, 28, b. Bermondsey, Surrey, House Maid ELIZABETH DERBYSHIRE, 20, b. Ashbourne, Derbys,Kitchen Maid HANNAH DRAPER, 20, Awsworth, Nottingham, House Maid EMILY WHEATCROFT, 21, b. Eastwood, Nottingham, Laundry Maid GERTRUDE MARY WRIGHT,18, b. Derby, Nursery Maid HENRY HILL, 18, b. Eastwood, Nottingham, Domestic Groom JAMES SHELTON, 17, b. Gedling, Nottingham, Footman I think this gives an insight into the way they lived!! |
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suzard
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replied on: 2/23/2004 1:31:06 PM Lucien fFrancis.... was 6 not 10 as I mistakenly put! |
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Dorrie
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replied on: 6/15/2004 4:25:53 PM Godkin House is on my early maps but it has disappeared by 1876. Dunstead house (Pine avenue area)is there though from 1876 onwards and I think it was demoshished in the late 60's early 70's. When was aldercar school built? |
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Dorrie
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replied on: 6/15/2004 9:00:16 PM Please Ignore my last message re; Godkin House as it and Dunstead House both appear on a 1951 map. |
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TrevorWatts
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replied on: 7/22/2004 10:12:23 PM I have the following recollections of Aldercar Hall: In the 1950s, it was the home of a middle-aged schoolteacher colleague of my father, and I visited it. This eccentric lady (whose name now escapes me) had purchased it after the Second World War and lived there alone. It had 84 rooms, most of which were uninhabitable; thieves had stripped the lead from the roof and so the rain could enter. Anyone brave enough to cross the ballroom floor would probably have fallen through the rotten boards. She kept chickens in the upper rooms and lived in a couple of rooms on the ground floor. She had a large collection of oil paintings, one of them suspected to be a Rembrandt, propped up in the entrance hall and slowly deteriorating. The National Coal Board wanted to purchase the building so that they could pull it down and mine the coal beneath it, but she wouldn't sell. |
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MoltoVivace
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replied on: 1/4/2005 9:11:47 PM I have memories of Aldercar Hall in the late 1950s when my step father and I went with a flat lorry to take the owner of Aldercar Hall to a new residence, a small-holding, which was on the right side of the road from Hill top to 'The Horse and Groom' pub at Moorgreen. We had become friends with her, and she did have some type of chickens which she used to breed with, she told us they were a rare breed of Polish Bantams,which were very nervous birds. Yes she was a school teacher at the time, and her name was Miss EVA ALLCOCK. This is no joke I assure you. The bantams were so highly-strung, if that's the right word, that while taking down one of the sheds, one side fell to the ground; and three of the bantams immediately dropped dead from fright! She was eccentric to say the least. You are right about the painting, just one of many, along with jewelery, pocket watches, and a host of other valubles, what a weekend we had there! I was 18 years old at the time, and she gave me a French Silver 'Seal Ring'which I still have. The hall had been damaged by subsidence, said to be from Ormonde Colliery! I have other memories of EVA; she was rather like Margaret Rutherford the old fim star,I thought; but a truly wonderful person even to an 18 year old. Her home at Moorgreen is now converted to a luxury residence. If you want to know more--just ask! 
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RMMee
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replied on: 1/4/2005 10:22:29 PM Fascinating. I have heard of Ms Alcock and her love of bantams. I am hoping that an article on Aldercar Hall which I have written will feature in this month's Society newsletter, giving the hall's story from the 1870's to the 1920's. I am also preparing a major new page for the main website on the same subject. However, the period after the 1920's, until its demolition in 1962, is far more sketchy (though I have recently acquired photos of the demolition itself - a unique record, which I hope we will be able to publish in due course). So, any and everything you can give on this subject would be especially welcome. If you would like to write your memories in a way that can be turned into a newsletter item, just let me know (use the Mailbox system - just click on my name, then on Send Message) and I'll be happy to get it published under your name. One thing my recent research has left me unsure of is whether she actually owned it or whether she was just a tenant of the Coal Board. Robert |
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RMMee
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replied on: 1/6/2005 10:33:38 AM Molto Vivace has sent me a brilliant article for hopefully future publication in our newsletter. Watch this space for more information. |
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suzard
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replied on: 1/6/2005 2:56:08 PM As you go down the lane towards Stoneyford Boat/Lodge there is still a sign on a gate which reads Aldercar Hall! |
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RMMee
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replied on: 1/6/2005 5:18:42 PM They've named the new building down there "Aldercar Hall." It's not quite the same though!!!!! |
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suzard
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replied on: 1/6/2005 5:39:53 PM I never noticed a building-just the sign-remember walking past the old Aldercar hall in early 50's-such a shame these places disappear-at least they are remembered on here at least! |
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briyeo
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replied on: 4/8/2005 7:00:20 PM I can recall the lady at Aldercar Hall, we could not resist the temptation to harvest the conkers from the trees that lined the drive, I remember her saying she would set her dogs on us, large greyhound type, I dont blame her. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 4/8/2005 8:50:01 PM Welcome to the site Briveo, and I hope you find plenty to interest you and to contribute too. Can you put an approximate date to your memories of the lady at Aldercar Hall? I'm told by one person that she even threatened them with a shotgun for going conkering!!!! |
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