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| Peter Chamberlain Researcher Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 2/17/2006 12:50:24 AM by RMMee | CODNOR PUBLIC HOUSES posted on: 2/11/2005 8:10:04 AM KELLY'S 1899 CODNOR Lord Byron Charles Bailey French Horn Hy Brown Gate Inn Rebecca Marlow Jessop Arms James Searson New Inn Alfred Tinkler Old Glasshouse William Simpson White Miners Arms John Wooley Loscoe Gate Inn Joseph Holmes Golden Ball John Noon Coach and Horses John Painter Eclipse James Simms Sir John Warren William Warren Stoneyford listed as in the Codnor Parish The Boat Inn Edwin Grainger  |
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replied on: 2/11/2005 9:11:33 AM What about the Thorn Tree at Woodlinkin - I would have expected it to be listed within Codnor. |
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replied on: 2/11/2005 9:19:51 AM Robert Does not appear in 1899 Kelly's See 1912 |
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replied on: 2/11/2005 9:29:34 AM KELLYS 1912 CODNOR Lord Byron James Searson French Horn Jn Cresswell Miners Arms William Bostock New Inn Walter Butt Jessop Arms Rowland Parker Old Glasshouse Edwin Whysall Thorntree James Lickley LOSCOE Gate Inn George Richard Gibson Sir John Warren Wm Warren STONEYFORD Boat Inn Wm Steeples |
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replied on: 2/11/2005 1:46:38 PM Hi, THE SIR JOHN WARREN LOSCOE DERBYSHIRE In 1871 the census for Loscoe, Open and occupied but not slept in. In 1874 in the Ripley Observer 11th July, The transfer of the licence of the Sir John Warren, Loscoe Grange in the occupation of Mrs Hogg was transfer to Mr Grundy. In 1881 on the census for Loscoe, Sir John Warren, Thomas Grundy aged 28 years born at Dale Abbey occupation Innkeeper and his wife Elizabeth Grundy aged 49 born at Brinsley, Tom Hogg aged 17 years stepson occupation Coal Miner born at Loscoe, George Hogg aged 15 years Stepson handicap: Imbecile born at Loscoe, Elizabeth Hogg aged 11 years stepdaughter, scholar born at Loscoe, Edward Hicking aged 28 years son-in-law occupation Plumber & Glazier born at Heanor, Charlotte Hicking aged 20 years daughter-in-law born at Loscoe. Walter Hicking aged 1-year grandson born at Heanor, George Irons aged 66 years boarder occupation Labourer at Brick Yard born at Risely, Bedford. In 1885, 5th September 1885 Ripley Advertiser, The Sir John Warren, Thomas Grundy to Thomas Holroyd |
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replied on: 2/20/2005 9:24:38 PM Loscoe Public Houses and Inns - 1891 Census. COACH and HORSES - Whysall, Edwin. Head. Aged 31 - Coal Miner and Publican. Bn. Loscoe, Derbys. Whysall, Charlotte. Wife, aged 37? - Bn. Loscoe, Derbys. Whysall, Edwin. Son, Aged 6 - Bn. New Radford, Notts. Whysall, John. Son, Aged 3 - Bn. Loscoe, Derbys. Whysall, Ernest. Son, aged 1 - Bn. Loscoe, Derbys. ********************************************* GATE INN. Whitney, George. Head. Publican, aged 52 - Bn. Golden Valley, Derbys. Whitney, Sarah. Wife, aged 47 - Bn. Sheepshead, Derbys. Whitney, William. Son, aged 30, Coal Miner - Bn. Riddings, Derbys. Whitney, Frederick. Son, aged 18 - Bn. Riddings, Derbys. Whitney, Albert. Son, aged 16 - Bn. Riddings, Derbys. Whitney, Margaret. Daughter, aged 13. Assistant House-keeper - Bn. Riddings, Derbys. Whitney, Annie. Daughter, aged 10, scholar - Bn. Riddings, Derbys. Whitney, John R. Nephew, aged 13. Factory Hand - Bn. Riddings, Derbys. Williamson? Henry. Aged 49, General labourer - Bn. ? Notts. ********************************************* GOLDEN BALL INN. Dixon, Emily. Head - Widow, aged 29. Inn Keeper - Bn. Capenhill, Hereford. Dixon, John E. Son, aged 3 - Bn. Loscoe, Derbys. Dixon, Wilfred L. Son, aged 1 - Bn. Loscoe, Derbys. ********************************************* SIR JOHN WARREN. Holroyd, Thomas. Head, aged 41. Licenced Victualler Bn. Basford, Notts. Holroyd, Elizabeth. Wife, aged 25 - Bn. Codnor, Derbys. Hardman, Auluna?. Niece, aged 3 - Bn. Basford, Notts. Hunt, Susanna. Domestic servant, aged 15 - Bn. Denby, Derbys. ********************************************* THORN TREE INN - WOODLINKIN. Clarke, John. Head - widower. Inn Keeper, aged 64 - Bn. Woodlinkin, Derbys. Clarke, Elizabeth. Daughter. House-keeper, aged 28 - Bn. Loscoe, Derbys. Thorpe ? Boarder. Frame maker, aged 36 - Bn. Loscoe, Derbys. Thorpe, Martha. Wife, aged 35 - Bn. Woodlinkin, Derbys. Thorpe, John. Grandson, aged 2 - Bn. Woodlinkin, Derbys. Thorpe, Mabel. Daughter, aged ?weeks - Bn. Woodlinkin, Derbys. Azzabuv. |
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replied on: 3/10/2005 7:53:35 PM THE GATE INN LOSCOE DERBYSHIRE In 1831 John Cresswell, The Gate Inn Loscow In 1851 Thomas Gaskin Gate Inn In 1861 on the census, Thomas Gascoyne head aged 60 years Inn Keeper he was born at Heanor his wife was Sarah Gascoyne aged 50 years she was born at Eastwood. In 1871 census for Loscoe Job Allen aged 43 years occupation Publican & Engine Driver at Coal Pit born at Heanor, Mary Allen wife aged 41 occupation housekeeper born at Loscoe, William Allen son aged 21 years occupation Engine Driver born at Heanor, Samuel Allen son aged 19 years occupation Coal Miner born at Loscoe, Henry Allen son aged 16 years born Loscoe, Matilda Allen daughter aged 13 years born at Loscoe, Sarah A Allen daughter aged 10 years born at Loscoe, Job Allen son aged 8 years born at Loscoe, Robert Allen son aged 6 years born at Loscoe, Tom Allen son aged 4 years born at Loscoe, George Allen son aged 1 year born at Loscoe, Hannah Leivers servant born at Loscoe. In 1881 census for Loscoe, Job Allen aged 54 years occupation Licensed Victualler born at Heanor, Mary Allen wife aged 51 years born at Heanor, Henry Allen son aged 25 years occupation Coal Miner born at Loscoe, Job Allen son aged 17 years occupation Coal Miner, Robert Allen son aged 15 years born at Loscoe, George Allen son aged 11 years a scholar born at Loscoe In 1887,Transfer of Licences, Gate Inn Loscoe from Job Allen to Joseph Henry Howitt. In 1887, Transfer of Licence June 11th 1887, Gate Inn Loscoe, from Joseph Henry Howitt to Thomas Pym. In 1888, extracts from Kelly’s directory, Tom Pym Gate Inn, Loscoe In 1891 census for Loscoe George Whitney aged 52 years occupation Publican born Golden Valley, Sarah Whitney wife aged 47 years born at Shepshead, William Whitney son aged 30 occupation coal miner born at Riddings, Frederick Whitney son aged 18 years born at Riddings, Albert Whitney son aged 16 years born at Riddings, Margaret Whitney daughter aged 13 occupation assistant housekeeper born at Riddings, Annie Whitney daughter aged 11 scholar born at Riddings, John R. Whitney stepson aged 13 years occupation factory hand born at Riddings. In 1895, extracts from Kelly’s directory, John Gent, Gate Inn Loscoe. In 1898 The Ripley & Heanor News 2nd April, Forthcoming sales under Messrs.Geo. Lee and Son, Ripley, Loscoe all that freehold fully licensed Public House known by the sign of the Gate Inn, now in the occupation of Mr J. Holmes, Solicitors: Peake & Fermor, Ripley. RIPLEY ADVERTISER 30TH APRIL 1898 LOSCOE PROPERTY AND LAND SALE On Monday evening Messrs George Lee and son, auctioneers, Ripley, offered for sale by public auction at the Gate Inn, nine lots of property and building land. There was a large attendance and spirited bidding took place. Lot 1 comprised the fully licensed house known at the Gate Inn, Loscoe, together with the building land and appurtenances thereto. The bidding commenced at £900, but after several attempts to effect a sale the lot was withdrawn at £1700, lot 2 comprised four dwelling houses, with out-buildings, large gardens, fronting Denby Lane, realising a net rental of £20 16s. The bidding commenced at £200, to Mr J. J. A. Woolley J.P, Loscoe for £320, as was also lot 8, being two houses, garden ground etc, realising an annual rental of £10 8s, for the sum of £165. Lot 4 comprised two dwelling houses with gardens etc, adjoining lot 3, realising £11 15s. Mr Geo. Allen was the purchaser. Lot 5, two houses, with gardens adjoining the last lot, was purchased by Mrs Parkin for £100, and lots 6 and 7, containing an area of 460 square yards of freehold building land, with 28 feet respectively of frontage to Denby Lane, was started at 6d per yard, and both lots were eventually sod to Mr J. J. A. Woolley JP, for 1s.5d per yard. Lot 9 comprised a freehold piece of land, situate on the Loscoe road, just at the Heanor boundary, containing in area 4s or 21p, bidding commenced at £200, and subsequently Mr Furgeson, of Nottingham, was the purchaser for the sum of £465. Messrs Peake and Fermor, Ripley, were solicitors for the vendors. In 1901 Joseph Oldknow licenced victuallar born Alfreton, In 1916, Eastwood & Kimberley Advertiser, The Temporary Transfer of The Gate Inn Loscoe, from William Haywood to Samuel Thorpe. In 1941, extracts from Kelly’s directory, Gate Inn James Whysall |
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replied on: 3/15/2005 8:21:30 AM Hi, THE COACH AND HORSES LOSCOE RIPLEY ADVERTISER NOVEMBER 12TH 1870 LOSCOE SERIOUS GUN ACCIDENT On Wednesday morning, last, a little after midnight, as Mr John Woolley of the Wagon & Horses was returning from a pigeon shooting match when he arrived in Jessop St Codnor, the gun, which he carried in his coat pocket, accidentally discharged itself, inflicting serious injury to him about the breast and shoulder. We understand he is under, medical treatment and progressing favourably. In 1871 on the census, Coach & Horses, William Kirkman aged 38 years occupation Beer Keeper born at Aston Derbys his wife Elizabeth Kirkman aged 32 years housekeeper born at Loscoe, Ann Kirkman daughter aged 10 years scholar born at Loscoe, Martha Kirkman daughter aged 8 years born at Loscoe, Harriett Kirkman daughter aged 5 years born at Loscoe, James Kirkman son aged 3mths born at Loscoe. In 1881, on the census Coach & Horses John Pickering aged 62 years occupation Publican born at Melbourne Derbyshire, his wife Charlotte Pickering aged 61 years born at Ilkeston, Susanah Hinch aged 13 years occupation servant born at Farnsfield Nottingham In 1888, extracts from Kelly’s Directory, Enoch Bailey Coach & Horses, In 1891 on the census, Coach & Horses, Edwin Whysall aged 31 years occupation Coal Miner/Publican, his wife Charlotte Whysall aged 31 years born at Loscoe, Edwin Whysall son aged 6 years born at Radford, John Whysall son aged 3 born at Loscoe, Ernest Whysall son aged 1 year born at Loscoe. In 1901 on the census, John Painter aged 43 occupation Naval Pensioner / Innkeeper born at Gloucester In 1906 John Richard Michael Painter In 1941, extracts from Kelly’s Directory, Coach & Horses public house, Ernest Hogg DEATH OF LOSCOE LICENSEE JULY 18TH 1969 MISS IVY HOGG Miss Ivy Hogg, licensee of the Coach and Horses, Loscoe, died on Wednesday week at Heanor Memorial Hospital after a short illness. Miss Hogg, who was in her 67th year, had been licensee of the Coach and Horses for 14 years. Her father was licensee for 40 years previous to this. |
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replied on: 4/8/2005 12:02:45 PM THE GOLDEN BALL LOSCOE DERBYSHIRE In 1831? Ann Ward, The Golden Ball, Loscow In 1841, census for Loscoe, Samuel ward aged 25 years occupation Publican born Y, (Y born in Derbyshire) Ann Ward aged 30 years born Y, and Hannah Ward aged 25 years born Y In 1851 Samuel Hogg, Golden Ball In 1871 on the census, Golden Ball page 13 sch 81, Elizabeth Hogg head aged 69 her occupation was a Publican she was born at Alfreton, Ellen Hogg UM aged 31 years waiter was born at Loscoe, Elizabeth A. Hogg gd-daughter aged 16 years dressmaker she was born at Loscoe, and Jacob Hogg gd-son aged 6 years scholar born at Loscoe. In 1872, Heanor Brewer Sessions August 26th, All the licenses in the district were granted without the least hesitation, except Mrs Hogg, of Loscoe, who had been fined for having open house at illegal hours on a Sunday. She was cautioned by the bench, and told if she was convicted a second time she would lose her licence. In 1881 on the census Golden Ball, Thomas Keetley aged 31 years head occupation Licensed Victual born at Nottingham his wife Fanny Keetley aged 26 years occupation licensed Victualler ‘s wife born at Epperstone, Nottingham, Hannah Hawey aged 27 years servant born at Epperstone Nottingham, and William Harples aged 54 years a visitor occupation Timber Sawyer born at Cuckney Nottingham. 1881 Dwelling: Golden Bell Census Place: Codnor & Loscoe, Derby, England Source: FHL Film 1341791 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3320 Folio 45 Page 16 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas KEETLEY M 31 M Nottingham, England Rel: Head Occ: Licensed Victualler Fanny KEETLEY M 26 F Epperstone, Nottingham, England Rel: Wife Occ: Licensed Victualler Wife Hannah HAWEY U 27 F Epperstone, Nottingham, England Rel: Servant Occ: General Serv Domestic William HARPLES M 54 M Cuckney, Nottingham, England Rel: Visitor Occ: Timber Sawyer Building: Golden Bell UNINHABITED Census Place: Codnor & Loscoe, Derby, England Source: FHL Film 1341791 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3320 Folio 45 Dwelling: Golden Bell Census Place: Codnor & Loscoe, Derby, England Source: FHL Film 1341791 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3320 Folio 45 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Samuel SHERTIN M 30 M Hucknall Tokard, Nottingham, England Rel: Head Occ: Cotton Framework Knitter Sarah SHERTIN M 28 F Crich, Derby, England Rel: Wife Occ: Cotton Framework Knitter In 1885 5th September 1885 Ripley Advertiser, The Golden Ball, from Hickling Turner to John Bradley In 1888 extracts from Kelly’s directory, John Dixon In 1889 The Golden Ball sold at auction 8th April 1889 occupied at the time by Mr John Nixon (Dixon?) In 1891 on the census Golden Ball Loscoe page 43 sch137, Emily Dixon head wid aged 29 years occupation Inn Keeper she was born in Hereford, siblings were John Dixon son aged 3 years born at Loscoe, and Wilfred Dixon aged 1 year born at Loscoe RIPLEY ADVERTISER JULY 14 1894 LOSCOE PROPERTY SALE On Tuesday evening Messrs W. Watson and son of Alfreton and Ripley, offered by public auction at the Golden Ball Inn Loscoe, the valuable freehold full-licensed Public House, with the large garden and out buildings there to belonging, known as “The Golden Ball Inn” situated at Loscoe, late in the occupation of Mrs Emily Dixon Mrs Newstead. There was a very large, attendance of brewers and others, and some spirited bidding took place. The bidding commenced at £400, and the whole of the very valuable premises were eventually knocked down to Messrs Hutchinson and sons Basford, for the sum of £1230. Messrs Thurman, cattle and Nelson, Ilkeston, were solicitors for the vendor. In 1895 extracts from Kelly’s directory Thomas Roe Golden Ball Dec 24 1897 Eastwood and Kimberley Advertiser A LOSCOE POLITICAL SQUABBLE Geo. Waterall, of Loscoe, summoned Thos, Johnson for assaulting him in the parish of Codnor and Loscoe. Complainant stated he was in the Golden Ball public house on the evening of the 9th inst. Defendant and others were also there, and a conversation sprang up respecting the Blues and Yellows of the division. Defendant got up and deliberately struck him. A man named William Brown got between them to stop a fight, and after a good deal of, talking about the political aspect of affairs he (Complainant) went out. Defendant hurried after him, and deliberately struck him with a powder tin and other wise assaulted him shamefully, blacking both his eyes. Harry Hicking said he went into the Golden Ball about half-past five o’clock, when complainant and defendant were wrangling. Defendant stuck complainant. Benjamin Clark, Baker, Loscoe, corroborated. Edward Whysall also gave evidence against defendant, whilst Onesimus Brown and defendant denied the allegations. The cases was dismissed, the Chairman remarking that the parties had better not talk politics except when they were sober. RIPLEY AND HEANOR 27TH NOVEMBER 1897 SELLING DRINK DURING PROHIBITED HOURS Thomas Roe landlord of the Golden Ball Inn, Loscoe, was summoned by the police authorities for selling a bottle of stout to a boy named John Hicking, son of Henry Hicking, a collier, at Loscoe, at eleven o’clock in the morning of Sunday, Nov. 7th inst. Mr Harry Perkins, of the firm of Clifford and Parkins, solicitors, Loughborough’, appeared to prosecute, and Mr Arthur Barlow, Nottingham, defendant. Mr Perkin said Police-Constable Hewitt saw the boy go to the back door of the Inn, and after staying there a short time he returned with something under his coat. Upon examination he found a bottle of stout. The officer took the lad back to the house, and told the landlady that the boy had been there and paid 3d for a bottle of stout. Mrs Roe made some statement to the effect that the stout had been paid for on the Saturday night previous. Police- Constable Hewitt and the boy having given evidence. Mr Harlow spoke of the excellent character of the landlord, and said the stout was paid for on the Saturday night, Henry Hicking said he purchased the bottle, and paid 4d for it, but left it in mistake. He gave no instructions for the bottle to be fetched on Sunday morning. The bench after a very lengthy hearing, fined the defendant £5 together with the costs, 21s. They also ordered that the Licence should be endorsed. Mr Barlow asked the bench to name amounts for sureties, as they intended to appeal against the decision. Subsequently the sums were fixed in case of an appeal, the defendant in £20 and two sureties of £20 each. In 1901 John Noon aged 47 years Publican born Heanor, Betsy Noon wife aged 44 years born Heanor, Eliza Noon daughter aged 13 years born Heanor, Annie Noon daughter aged 11 years born Heanor, John Noon son aged 9 years born Heanor, Alfred Noon son aged 8 years born Loscoe, Amos son aged 2 years born Loscoe. In 1907 July the temporary transfer of the licence of the Golden Ball from W Bower, to Arthur Frost of Milward Rd Loscoe was granted. The Golden Ball was at the top of Furnace Lane; it was closed as a public house in 1909 and was demolished about 1948 to make way for the memorial gardens. It was said to date from the 12th century. 1910 February 17th Heanor Observer, Brewster Session, Three beer-houses had ceased to exist during the year and compensation had been paid, and the houses being Golden Ball Loscoe, The Knife and Steel Horsley Woodhouse and the Angel Inn Ripley. |
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replied on: 7/7/2005 7:40:48 AM Ripley Gazette 3rd June 1938 WOODLINKIN LICENSEES DEATH The sudden death of Mr Percy Cook, licensee of the Thorn Tree Inn, Woodlinkin, which ocurred last Saturday came as a great shock to the many people in the district who knew him. He was 57 years of age. Mr Cook had been ill for only a week. He was a native of Codnor Park and as a young man was a noted local footballer, playing for Ripley Town. He left his native district to work at Hull and in South Wales at his former trade as an engineer, and whilst in Yorkshire he continued his football career, playing for several well known clubs there. He was a splendid full back and eventually he was selected to play for Hull city in the English League. During the war Mr Cook served abroad for the greater part of the time and on returning to this district in 1921 he took over the Thorn Tree Inn. Since then he has been a popular host and has figured prominently in licensing circles being a member of the licensed Victuallers Association. He was also a member of the British Legion. He leaves a widow and one daughter. The interment was at Ironville Parish Church on Tuesday preceeded by a service conducted by Rev I O Evans. The principal mourners were :Widow; Mr and Mrs R C Wright, Selston (son in law and daughter;Mrs Cook (Mother); Messrs Frank, Bert and Will Cook (brothers); Florrie, Lily, May,and Emma (sisters) |
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replied on: 8/23/2005 5:37:00 PM Hi, The wheelbarrow would be cheaper than a taxi! 4th August 1911 HEANOR POLICE Loscoe Landlord Fined. Woman Taken Home In A Wheelbarrow William Warren, landlord of the Sir John Warren Inn, Loscoe Grange, was charged at Heanor with permitting drunkenness on his premises on July 15th There was a second charge of selling drink to a drunken person on the same date. Mr J. Ormond prosecuted on behalf of the police, and Mr Arthur Barlow (Nottingham) represented the defendant. Mr Ormond, giving a brief summary of the case, said that about half-past nine on the date named Sergeant Holmes found a woman named Mrs Farmer, wife of Thomas Farmer, in a helplessly drunken condition not far from the Sir John Warren Inn. She was holding herself up against a wall, and he sent for a wheelbarrow, in which she was taken home. Sergeant Holmes and Inspector Stone subsequently went to the Inn and told the landlord, who said the woman must have had a lot of drink before coming to his house, and he would have to suffer for what others had done. Warren stated that he had been at the Sir John Warren over twelve years and had kept the house in every way respectable. He denied that the woman had had more than three pints between her husband and herself. Mary Warren, (daughter) spoke to seeing the woman Farmer leave the house at 9pm and said she was then quite sober. Witness thought the woman might be overcome with the heat. Amos Cresswell said he helped the sergeant to put her into the barrow. For the defence, Mr Barlow said the day in question was one of the hottest in the year, and it was quite feasible for a woman on emerging into the open air to be suddenly affected by the drink she had taken. The Chairman said the bench considered the charge proved, and the fine would be £2, with £2 4s costs. They hoped however, that Warren would not lose his license. A second charge of supplying the woman with drink while she was in a drunken condition was withdrawn. Mrs Farmer was then charged with being drunk, and was fined 2s 6d and costs. Her defence was that she was affected by the heat. Jenny |
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replied on: 10/22/2005 8:48:28 AM 1907 May 10th The Eclipse Loscoe In applying for the confirmation of a full license for the Eclipse Inn, Loscoe, tenanted by Selina Priestly, Mr Arthur Barlow of Nottingham, said that the Eclipse was at the present time a “Beer – On” about ninety yards away was the Golden Ball which had a full License, and the justices had suggested that the latter had suggested that to the compensation Authority, but that the spirit License should be Transferred to the Eclipse. Accordingly application was only being made for surrender of the Beer License. Police Sergeant Stone having given evidence, the bench decided to confirm the Licence. |
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replied on: 3/1/2006 1:38:27 PM R&H 8 Sept 1911 UNIQUE GATHERING-CODNOR "A unique gathering of Codnor worthies took place last Thursday at the French Horn Codnor. There were five of them, cracking jokes and praising the good ale dispensed by the new landlord, Mr Cresswell. The party met promisuously in one room, their ages in aggregate totalled 372 years. Their names and ages as appended: Mr Frank Thorpe, Cherry tree Hall Crosshill, age 77 Mr Samuel Winfield, Parkins Yard, Crosshill, age75 Mr Cater, Codnor, age 75 Mr Cater, Codnor Lane Farm, age 73 Mr J Eyre, Jessop Street, Codnor, age 72" So the new landlord was Mr Cresswell, but does anyone know where Cherry Tree Hall and Parkins Yard, Crosshill were??? |
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replied on: 2/8/2007 11:05:03 AM Maybe this was near Cherry Tree Hall? The Gazette Mar 10th 1939 NO CHERRY TREE INN FOR CODNOR " An application was made by a former Jacksdale widow for a publican's licence for proposed premises at Crosshill to be known as "The Cherry Tree Inn" came before the Heanor Magistrates on Monday. The applicant was Mrs Maude Thorpe of the Carlton Hotel Nottingham. She was represented by Mr A Young of Nottingham. Mr R.S.D.Cash of Ripley appeared on behalf of objectors to the licence.He represented he said the Rev G.W.Broomhead and Mr C. Mottam on behalf of the heanor free Church Council and 274 residents and owners in close proximity to the proposed premises including mr W.H. Searson who was manager of the Ripley Cooperative Society, Mr G. Cresswell,Mr C.J.Lilley,Mr J.Parkin,Mr W. Morris and many others. In outlining the application, Mr Young said Mrs Thorpe had held licences for 27 years and had acquired a well deserved reputation in catering for meals to be served with non intoxicants if desired, for commercial travellers and others. Mrs Thorpe was the owner of a plot of land exactly opposite St james Church, on the main road. When Mr Cash had started talking about opposition he was surprised to hear it was from the heanor free Church Council and not from the church directly concerned with the site."Mrs Thorpe is an enterprising woman and is making the application entirely on her own accord. It is not financed or being assisted by ant brewery company. It occurred to her, as owner of this plot of land, that there was a suitable site for the erection of a modern house where she could carry on the traditions she had been used to before coming to Nottingham, of catering for meals and refreshments.She had therefore had plans prepared for what would prove to be one of the most modern houses in the area." mr Young gave details of the accomodation to be provided, and said that the dining room could be reached without entering the public bar. If required the house could be adapted for residential purposes, and the construction of the cellars would be as such to provide a bomb proof shelter. Within 500yards radius thre was no other licensed house of any sort, the nearest being not less than half a mile distant. These being older houses, and so far as he was aware there were no facilities for providing meals.Within that 500yds there were 192 houses and all of them had been canvassed, with the result that the tenants of 103 of them had cheerfully signed the petiton in favour of the application. Others had been in favour but had been reluctant to sign the petition. In view of these figures he must profess some amazement at mr Cash's 270 signatures because wherever he had obtained them they could not have come from the 500yds circle but from houses nearer existing licensed premises..... mrs Thorpe added that in addition to holding the licence of the Portland Arms jacksdale, she was formerly resident in Cdnor for 39 years. In reply to further questions Mrs Thorpe said the names Mr cash had given were mainly of people connected with chapels.She had not seen the Church Council as a body, but she had been assured that the matter had been raised and that there was no opposition..... Crossexamined by mr Cash, witness said he had not taken account of the Brittania Inn Waingroves and would have to accept mr cash's statement that it was within the 500yards....... William Street of Crosshill said he lived 200yards from the site and he considered a modern inn would be to the benefit of the neighbourhood. Albert bailey, builder, 50 Crosshill, said he owned a house adjoining the site and he supported the application and he considered the inn would supply a public want. This concluded Mr Young's case and after a few minutes conversation the chairman (Mr J.J.A. Woolley) intimated that the Bench did not wish to hear Mr cash. The application would be refused. ------------------ I am led to beleive this plot of land is now gardens???? nearby there used to be what was known as a "courtyard" which was home to a large Cherry tree-and there were/are a few cottages on a lane. Does anyone know if this area was known as Cherry Tree hall??? |
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replied on: 2/8/2007 4:54:24 PM Sue, Can you confirm the date of that piece? The language seems very modern for 1839? And I don't believe the Ripley Co-op existed then. |
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replied on: 2/8/2007 6:40:20 PM Well spotted,Robert,-have edited-of course it was 1939!!! Sorry about that-the sooner I get rid of this plaster on one of my two typing fingers the better!!!! By the way- in previous article -"Unique gathering" in 1911-it was Frank Thorpe age 77 who gave his address as Cherry Tree Hall-wondered if he was a relative of Mrs Maud Thorpe who was applying for the licence ? Which has set me wondering if the plot of land she owned was the site of Cherry Tree Hall in 1911??? 1901 census there is a Frank Thorpe age 66 (Coal Miner) address just given as Crosshill, but the enumeraters walk is Frank Thorpe Crosshill, couple of houses, School House, few more houses, Vicarage, then Denby lane -so Frank would have been somewhere in the area of Cherry tree?? |
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