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| Jennypeg Researcher Quote | Reply | | Loscoe Historical Newspaper Reports posted on: 3/28/2005 12:08:37 PM THE RIPLEY ADVERTISER 12TH AUGUST 1865 HIGHWAY CASE Thomas Watson, surveyor of the highways of the hamlet of Loscoe, was charged by Samuel Beardsley, of Heanor, with not keeping in repair a certain public highway and carriage way at said hamlet of Loscoe, called Loscoe Lane, and leading in the direction of Codnor Park, he on behalf of the inhabitants of the said hamlet, being chargeable with such repairs. Mr Browne, of Nottingham, appeared on behalf of complainants: and Mr Smith, of Derby, for defendant, Mr Browne, to prove that Hoggbarn-Lane, Taylor-Lane, and Furnance-Lane, the three combined making Loscoe-Lane, had been used as a highway before and since 1815, called complainant, who said he had known Loscoe- Lane 44 years, that he formerly lived as farm bailiff at Aldercar-Hall, and that he was accustomed to go along the Lane, in which he was not an occupier, with carts and horses. He was 36 years ago in the Shipley Cavalry, and used to go along the road to drill, no one disputing his right. Others also used the road without hindrance. The road was generally bad in the winter- time, and for that reason was not used so much as it otherwise would have been. It was a matter of general repute 40 or 50 years ago, that people were threatened for using the lane, but they still went on using it. The lane was ten, twelve, and as much as nineteen yards wide, being broader than was required for a bridle road. Cross-examined He had purchased some property two years ago, and had asked the parish to repair the lane. Mr Hutchinson, the magistrate’s adviser, having stated that considered sufficient evidence had been given to establish the case. Viz, that Loscoe-Lane had been used as a highway without obstruction – Mr Smith, to prove the contrary, called the defendant, who said he had been surveyor of the highways for the parish of Loscoe four or five years and had known Hogg-Lane fifty years, and to be used as a public highway. He had known Mr Potter to be turned back when he was going for lime, or rather told not to use the Lane again, and he promised to do so no more. He had known the lane to be locked up to shield each one’s property. Jonathan Woolley, Loscoe said he had known Hogg-Lane seventy years, and owned some land in it. There were gates to mark the boundaries of each person’s land. His father always told him no person had a right to go through the lane. Mr Thomas Hicking, Loscoe said he had known Hogg-Lane thirty years, and that when it was out of repair the owners of the adjoining land repaired it at their own expense. Cross-examined He had seen persons who were not occupiers going along the lane without being stopped. Other witnesses having given similar evidence, the magistrates said they were of opinion that the defendant had not made out that any person had ever been prevented from using the lane, and that therefore their decision was in favour of complainant. Such being the case, it was understood that, if the surveyor did not repair the Loscoe-Lane, the complainant would prefer an indictment against him at the quarter sessions. Much interest was taken in the matter, the Rev. R. Whinfield, Messrs George Gregory, Henry Frearson, Henry Milward, Charles Clayton, William White, Thomas Hogg, James John Woolley, John Wells, Theodore Hicking, and others being present. |
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replied on: 3/29/2005 1:53:58 PM Hi, from looking at the names above on the 1841/51 census, I think most of them were farmers ? The first death in Loscoe Dam that I have found was in the book History of Denby, 4th June 1788 Josiah son of Samuel Briggs, buried, Drowned in Loscoe Dam. On the 1861 and 1871 census for Dam House, there was a William Foster and his wife Ellen, this fit in with the next report: CODNOR AND LOSCOE September 8th 1866 INQUEST - On Monday, the 3rd inst, W Whiston, coroner, held an inquest at the house of Mr Edward Gregory, of the Thorn Tree, in the township of Codnor and Loscoe on the body of Edward, son of James Heathcote, aged eleven years, who was drowned at the Loscoe Dam the Saturday previous. The names of the jury were- Samuel Woolley (foreman), George Severn, Philip Hogg, James Searson, William Foster, James Wright, James Clark, John Valentine, Henry Tagg, George Wright, Charles Farnsworth, David Gregory, and Thomas Lowe. In the absence of the expected witness or witnesses, William Foster, one of the jury men, said he knew the deceased by sight, and that about 20 minutes past one on Saturday last he saw his basket in the water at Loscoe Dam, at which he (Foster) resided. He went for something to try to get it out, and when he returned he also saw the boy’s cap floating. He then shouted for some men to come to his assistance, although he had not as yet seen anything of the body. After obtaining aid he sent for some drags, and when they had dragged a short time they found the deceased, who, when got out, was dead. There was no one about when he first saw the basket. He saw some boys, but they were not near where the body was found. Two of their number came and told them there was a boy in the Dam, one of them saying that he saw him fall in, but did not say what he was doing when he fell. There would be six feet of water. The road to the Dam was a public one. There was no protection put up, but nothing to prevent some being put up. The boy who saw the deceased fall into the water was six or seven years of aged, and named Rowland. The jury returned a verdict of “Accidental Death,” and recommended that steps should be taken to prevent the recurrence of a similar accident. RIPLEY NEWS MAY 15TH 1880 FOUND DROWNED An inquest was held at the Golden Ball Inn, before Mr Coroner Whiston, on Tuesday evening relative to the death of George Thompson, aged 48, a platelayer of Langley Mill. Who was found drowned in the Mill Dam at Loscoe on the morning of the same day. The deceased left home on Monday morning, and was not again seen alive. Elias Brown found deceased in the water. He was in a standing position but with his head bent slightly downwards and under the surface. The jury returned a verdict of “found drowned” How could someone drowned himself standing up? I would have thought that he would have fallen over? |
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replied on: 3/29/2005 5:02:59 PM Perhaps he was leaning with his back to the wall - if it was there then? But by the sounds of it, he was further out into the Dam for the water to be that deep? If not.....we've got another weirdy here. The only other logical explanation being that he was upto mid-chest height in mud/silt and this was holding him up? Fascinating info. Jenny. But how he was found and if there was no mud Etc. some people, especially in times past, would have said he was simply and purely a victim of 'The Calling'. This phenomena supposedly happened predominately in the Countryside. Someone would hear a 'voice' calling them and wherever it was originating from, they would, seemingly under its 'spell', walk DIRECTLY towards the point of origin, regardless of where this may have been. The resulting lifeless bodies, were always found in strange circumstances. I think i'll stay in tonight. Azzabuv. Addendum - All the time i've roamed all round the Dam over the years, i never saw anything out of the ordinary....so perhaps their Spirits/Ghosts are at rest. Unless, in the wee, quiet hours of the morning.................... |
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replied on: 3/30/2005 3:15:34 PM lOSCOE IN 1885 / 1886 RIPLEY ADVERTISER 31ST JANUARY 1885 LOSCOE EXCITING SCENE On Sunday upward of 400 persons were skating and sliding on the Loscoe Dam during the afternoon, the ice, which previously showed signs of rapidly giving way, broke and seven or eight persons were immersed. One young man was skating about 20 yards from the side when the ice broke for several yards around him, amid shrieks and great excitement, the spectators, numbering about 700, standing on the banks, rushed to the scene of the catastrophe. No rope being available, planks and oars were thrown in to the unfortunate young man, and ultimately, by the tying of pocket-handkerchiefs together, he was rescued in a very exhausted state. RIPLEY ADVERTISER MARCH 20TH 1886 LOSCOE Sequel to an ice accident during the skating season of 1885 about 15 months ago a youth about 14 years of age named William Blathwick, narrowly escaped drowning at Loscoe Dam, being in the water for nearly half an hour. Ever since that time he has been more or less seriously ill and recently unable to follow his employment. Six weeks ago he was sent to the Nottingham Infirmary but gradually grew worse, and on Monday night succumbed to the illness brought on by exposure to water and cold on the above occasion. RIPLEY ADVERTISER OCTOBER 30TH 1886 SHOCKING TRAP ACCIDENT AT LOSCOE FIVE PERSONS INJURED On Saturday night a serious accident occurred at Loscoe, near Heanor. Mr Herbert Clarke of Loscoe was just starting to convey a load of passengers from Loscoe to Ripley Fair, and when descending Eyre’s Hill, Loscoe, both shafts broke. The horse bolted, and the occupants were thrown into the roadway in all directions. At this moment another bus and a pair of horses were coming from the opposite direction, and both colliding, the accident was rendered still more alarming. Five of the occupants of the former vehicle were shockingly injured. Mr Herbert Clarke, owner of the horse and trap, who was driving, was picked up in an unconscious state, much crushed about the head and body, and suffering apparently from internal injury. Both the cases of Mr Joseph Thorpe and his wife appeared to be the worst. The former had both legs broken, one at the thigh and the other below the knee, and the latter had her bottom jaw smashed, and face cut and mangled terribly. Mr Joseph Hordish was badly cut and bruised, and a youth named Powell of Heanor, received some superficial injuries and a terrible shaking. The injured persons were carried into the Coach and Horses public, close to, where they were examined by Doctors Woolley and Peters, of Heanor. Three of the cases were considered very serious, and Mr and Mrs Thorpe were ordered to be sent immediately to the Derby Infirmary. The remainder were conveyed to their homes, not many yards distant, but few minutes having elapsed from the start to the time of the accident. Mr Clarke was on Monday a shade better, but still in a critical condition. Thorpe and his wife are said to be progressing as favourably as can be expected. The cause of the accident is supposed to have been overloading. Thirteen persons, it is said, being in the trap at the time. |
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replied on: 3/30/2005 10:09:02 PM Well, they wouldn't have to worry about falling through the ice today. As for the trap/coach/bus manglisation, no thank you. I'll stick to my trusted 5 farthings, (first correct answer - wins a tonnip) it's safer.....till i stop, then it's every man and woman for themselves. Azzabuv. |
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replied on: 5/24/2005 5:51:49 PM Concerning George Thompson (above), who was found standing up... drowned in the Dam. After many days of restless sleep and endless brain wracking over that particular conundrum, surely, logically, he was among the tall reeds, which supported his body. If he drowned by just sticking his face under the water, well, that IS will-power. And then apparently, never thrashed about while he did it. But..... why did he go into the water in the first place? If drowning himself was his last deliberate action, perhaps he wedged himself on a couple or more of strong reeds first. If that was the way, he must have had nerves of steel - or was completely deranged for some reason at the time? Being deranged though, doesn't seem to fit in with such a pre-arranged plan of action on his part concerning any supporting reeds. Strange. But, there's always the 'Calling'. Late addendum. Alternatively, he was walking along the edge of the Dam, saw a large, injured bird/fish near the bankside, waded into the water, forgetting that that particular May day was cold and the water extremely cold, which resulted in a heart attack and an upright underwater root/branch snagged up the inside of his coat, holding him rigid in the deeper than expected cold water, till........??? Azzabuv. |
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replied on: 8/31/2005 1:36:19 PM Hi, If George had a heart attack it would have said died from heart attack? what a way to go. here is another, but this one was saved. RIPLEY ADVERTISER APRIL 22ND 1893 ATTEMPTED SUICIDE AT LOSCOE GRANGE The village of Loscoe Grange, near Heanor, was thrown into great excitement on Tuesday morning by the announcement that the landlady of the Sir John Warren Inn, Loscoe Grange, had committed suicide. It appears that shortly after five o’clock on Tuesday morning two collies named John Draper and Edward Grainger were proceeding to their work at the Loscoe Colliery, and when near the bottom of Glue Lane they saw something in the duck pond at the back of Mr Shelton’s house. They hurried to the spot and found a female, in her night- dress, standing in the pond up to the neck in water and mud. The woman proved to be Mrs Holroyd, aged 29 years, wife of Thomas Holroyd, landlord of the Sir John Warren Inn, Loscoe Grange. Although in a pitiable condition the woman was alive, and was speedily removed by her rescuers to her home and restoratives applied. She had lately suffered from severe pains in the head, and had been rather peculiar at times. Mr Eames, of Heanor, was called in, and the unfortunate woman is now progressing favourably. No reason can be assigned by Mr Holroyd for his wife’s rash act, except her illness as stated above. Jenny |
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replied on: 8/31/2005 1:46:11 PM Hi, Jen. You could be quite correct concerning the cause of George's death. But even today, wrong diagnoses of death are becoming more and more common. I was reading a case the other day, where a seriously ill woman was diagnosed for three different causes of her illness by three different Doctors. None of them were correct. Then, there was/is always the dreaded 'coma' mistake. It was interesting too, that the Mrs. Holroyd, asabove, was found standing up to her neck in the water also. If she had died, would there have been a another case of being found standing, but with her face lowered into the water? They say it appeared to be a form of mental illness. I wonder what classification the legend of the 'Calling' would be assigned to? It does, however, appear to be a bit late in the given time-frame for such a legend/myth to be in action. Interesting coincidence though? Azzabuv. |
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replied on: 8/31/2005 2:07:08 PM Hi Azza, The Dam's not that deep, well not now. Is the pond still there up Glue Lane? Jenny |
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replied on: 8/31/2005 2:15:56 PM I've never come across it, Jenny. Perhaps it was filled in. Somewhere near the old farmhouse? There is/was an old, muddy pond down by the side of the Loscoe Church, leading into the Dumbles, but it didn't appear deep enough for someone to stand in it up to their neck. Perhaps, if it was that one, it's got shallower over the years? Azzabuv. |
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replied on: 8/31/2005 2:24:25 PM Hi Azza, I will have a walk round there and have a look. Jenny P.S.I can swim |
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replied on: 9/3/2005 3:34:36 PM Reminiscing about the old farm and its farmyard at the bottom of Glew Lane, Jenny. As a nipper, i used to go through that yard quite a lot. If my memory IS correct, just inside the farmyard, from the roadway entrance, then turning towards the far left, there was a small pond of sorts. However, even then, the pond didn't seem sufficiently deep enough to cover the knees, let alone up to someones neck. Behind the farmhouse and actually on Glew Lane itself, there was a larger pond at the far right. This pond did not appear deeper than waist deep, but nowhere near neck-deep. Of course, if either of these ponds had been the scene of Mrs. Holroyd's neck-deep experience, then obviously, it had been filled in to a shallower depth with earth, obviously to prevent a further such occurrence. Azzabuv. |
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replied on: 9/10/2005 8:16:10 PM Jenny. You aren't studying the effects of being 'up to the neck in it' for real, are you? Azzabuv. |
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replied on: 9/20/2005 9:40:03 PM Hi Azzabuv, No, I've been in a different pool with sun and a pool bar! Jenny |
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replied on: 2/21/2006 4:52:18 AM Where exactly is Glue or Glew Lane? Is this down the side of the old Church Hall? |
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replied on: 2/21/2006 7:37:38 AM If you look on the main website (www.HeanorHistory.org.uk) there is a map on the Forgotten Names page. The path is quite walkable, and once you get to the top of the hill, it is really nice countryside. It is easy to walk all the way through to Heanor Gate that way. |
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