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| Azzabuv Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 4/20/2005 3:29:42 PM by Azzabuv | The Well posted on: 4/20/2005 3:27:46 PM On the 1896 Map, a Well is shown situated in the fields beyond the cemetery. The path it lay on, ran from the upper South side of the Cemetery, in a straight line South, to Huftons Coppice. The Well lay half-way between the Cemetery and the Coppice. The name of the Well, is given as - 'Askeu(r?) Sic Well'. Has anyone any enlightenment for such an unusual name for a Well in the then middle of nowhere? Who, or what was 'Askeu(r) Sic'? Azzabuv. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 4/20/2005 4:54:47 PM (Askeu) after putting this name into a search i found it belong to a lancashire family,so it's definitely a surname of sorts. probably some family moving from lancashire to the area to work in mines etc. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/21/2005 12:45:02 PM It's certainly a very unusual name in the respect of a Well. After further research, the following came to light concerning the name. It's similar to the name - Askew, a habitation name, predominently in N.Yorks, meaning, from the old Norse language - Eiki Skogr = Oak Wood. In Medieval English, the name is pronounced - Akeskeugh. So, with Iceboy's surname findings too, the unknown Lancs. Family's root-name would appear to be - Oakwood? The word Sic, is a loose translation from the Medieval German name Siegel, meaning approximately 'Victory'. Making the Well's full name, 'The Victory Well in the Oak Wood', or 'The Oakwood's Victory Well'. Now thereby hangs an interesting untold tale? Shades of the Shipley 'Ulf', the Viking? Azzabuv. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 4/21/2005 1:42:45 PM if it relates to medieval times, would it be possible that sherwood forest acually spread as far as here ?. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 4/21/2005 1:58:25 PM and i've just found this: Of Boernician origins, Ayscough is the name of an old established Cumb. family descended from Sir Hugh Askew, who received the lands of the convent of Seaton, during the dissolution of the monasteries in 1542. (1) Aske, Ascough, Anscough , Ainscow - Local, 'of Aiskew', a township in the parish of Bedale, co. York; v.Askey. ' Anne Askew ' (1521-46), protesting, martyr, was the second daughter of Sir William Askew, or Ayscough, knight, who is generally stated to be of Kelsey, in Lincolnshire,; Dict. Nat. Biog. (v.Askew). As shown above, the orginal form was Aiskew or Ayscough. This by an intrusive n became, in Lancashire, Ainscough and Ainscow. But Askew is the generally adopted form. It was natural that the surname should cross the border from Yorkshire to Lancashire. 1545. John Aiscoughe and Grisella Tuke; Marriage Lic. (Faculty office), p.y 1553. Anthony Twysylton and Alice Askewe: Marriage Lic (London)., 14. 1553. Margaret Askew, of Kirkbye Ireleth, North Lanc., 1570: ibid. 1553. Ellen Ayscough, of Latham, co. Lanc., 1595. Wills at Chester (1545-1620), p.5. John Askew, of Osmuderley, North Lance., 1597. Lancashire Will at Richmond, i.8. 1661. Edward Bedell and Barbara Ayscough; Marriage Lic. (Faculty Office), p.55 (4) ASKEW, HASKEW, ASCOUGH, HASKOW, AYSCOUGH, ASKEY, ASKIE, HASKEY: William de Aykescoghe 1366 SRLa; Robert Ascowe 1390 LLB H; Simon Ascogh 1488 FrY; John Ascow, William Askew 1488 GildY; Richard Askoo 1533 FrY; Amy Askie 1618 Bardsley; William Ayscough 1675 FrY; John Ashkey 1674 HTSf. From Aiskew (NRYorks). (7) |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/21/2005 9:02:17 PM Fascinating information, Iceboy - pushing the time-barrier back. It seems Sherwood Forest did cover the whole area once. It was at its greatest extent during the 13th. Century, covering a third of England and consisting of mixed woodland, rough heathland and spasmodic areas of arable land. It's original name was 'Shire Wood', later changed to 'Nottingham Forest', before acquiring its todays present name. Azzabuv. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 4/22/2005 12:58:58 PM Now thats interesting to know that sherwood forest was called that Azzabuv. So many of todays names in and around the area could date back to medieval yorkshire or lancashire.I did recall reading somewhere that a blacksmith lived not too far away with that name and i wondered if he had anything to do with this.And doesn't part of Heanor church date back to the medieval times, if so, would they have a record ?. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/22/2005 11:46:41 PM Yes, Iceboy, it does. It's the Tower, 15th. Century. I've not found anything R.E. the Blacksmith.......yet......... Azzabuv. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 4/23/2005 7:03:04 AM I think we're making some major leaps of assumption as to the derivation of the name. I don't know what it means either (though was aware of it, as it features in an article which I have prepared for future publication - nothing about it, though, just a mention). I think the word Sic is in some way related to a word for stream or spring - somebody did tell me, but I didn't make a note of it at the time. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/23/2005 11:48:25 AM Robert. Concerning the names i have given. These come from the book - 'The Oxford Names Companion - The Definitive Guide'. A full reference book to First names, Surnames, Nick-name and Place names, with their original root-meaning in whichever language. I can only repeat as is stated in it. Azzabuv. |
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replied on: 4/24/2005 8:07:10 PM I've had a look at the area on Old Maps etc and downloaded the enlarged image. The name of the well looks similar to "Asleaw Sick Well". The end three letters of the first word are merged/smudged together and thats the best my old eyes can make of it. Living on Coppice Drive I can remember two streams that joined together in Huftons Coppice. The top stream started at the end of Holmesfield Drive (mid 50s)and ran just inside the edge of the wood.The second stream was at the bottom of Coppice Drive. This appeared at the edge of a small rec (roundabout, bobbies hat and a seesaw) on the left at the bottom of Coppice Drive as you came down. Both streams had about 15 feet of earth above where they first saw daylight. I suppose that when the council estate was built that a lot of landscaping was done so could the stream from Coppice Drive have been from this mystery well ? regards Phil |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/25/2005 1:35:49 PM That's an interesting word play on opposites, hey, Phil. Sick Well. I've enlarged the old map, but i still get the words Askeu(r) Sic. A part of what could be an 'r' is at the end of the name/word. Or, the 'r' could merely be a 'curl' at the end of the letter 'u'. What date is your map? Mine is 1896. It will be interesting to see how/if the name changed over time. I can't find the word/name 'Asleaw' connected to either a person or a place anywhere, in any Nationality at any time. But it IS interesting with the word Sick. This would actually mean 'Askeu Sic(k)', was 'Siegel's/Segal's/Victory Well in the Oak Wood'. Ahhh, once again, that old shop, in Langley Mill springs to mind. Mein Gott. Vot am ich stumblink on? Azzabuv. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 4/25/2005 2:40:11 PM It's definitely Asker/Askew/Askey (depends on who writes it), and it's definitely Sic rather than Sick. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 4/25/2005 2:53:41 PM Has anyone heard any handed down tales/myths concerning this Well, over time? Even if the tale(s) don't appear to allude to this specific Well/area, it would be interesting to hear them. They may mention them/it in a misconstrude way. Your correct, Robert, it does look like Askew and Sic. Askew being a moderner form of Askeu and so on and so on............... Azzabuv. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 4/25/2005 4:45:51 PM All I know is that it was on the main pedestrian route from Sye Lane Marlpool through to Shipley Hall. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 6/8/2005 1:00:47 PM In its plain and unadulterated form/meaning, 'Sic' does mean, from the Old English, purely and solely - 'small stream'. So you are correct on that score, Robert. On that basis, you'd have thought that the Dumbles small 'Red River' would also carry that untarnished label? Perhaps it got lost down a well somewhere. Azzabuv. |
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