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| richierich1 Quote | Reply | | grave site at the Chapel St. posted on: 6/1/2005 9:43:58 AM Morning. Does anyone have any more info on the recent discovery of the tomb underneath the chapel on Chapel St knocked down last year? All I know is that there is just one body (remains of) and their tomb. The coffin is apparantly in the shape of a fish and is made of metal. This info is from the bloke who looks after the new chapel. Rich. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 6/1/2005 3:22:38 PM Hi, Richie. Personally, i've not heard of it, but it definitely sounds interesting, particularly as it seems some one, of past local importance, could be interned in that metal coffin/casket. Do you know of any written information on the subject? - or if you find anything else out, it would be very interesting to know. The fish-shape coffin no-doubt symbolises early Christianity? Intriguing. Azzabuv. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 6/1/2005 5:03:16 PM Hope you don't mind, but I've moved your post to the Marlpool forum. I'll have a look at what we have on the chapel, but I'm not aware of a burial inside - it wasn't one of the Brentnall family was it? |
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richierich1
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replied on: 6/1/2005 5:05:52 PM Ta for reply. I will ask the caretaker guy when i next see him if he knows anything else including any written docs. The only other thing I was told by him is that nobody knew the tomb was there and there were no written records in the old chapel. Which is strange... As the chapel was built on top of the site, the body was there before the old chapel. And that was built in 1799. There is now a public area dedicated to the tomb at the end of the car park. Ill post soon to let folk know about any info i can gather. Richard. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 6/1/2005 8:17:20 PM If it is someone of LOCAL importance from around, or before the 16th. Century, the nearest historical building of note, is Oulegreve. Azzabuv. |
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richierich1
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replied on: 6/3/2005 8:41:29 PM Hi. Not sure what that is. Is that a local histrorical building? Id love to go to something like that. Rich. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 6/3/2005 9:09:36 PM Hi, Richie. Oulegreve is the 12th. Century name for the present day 'Algrave Hall Farm', situated below Hardy Barn on the Ilkeston Rd; and off to the left. Unfortunately, it's a private residence...(i believe?) but it would be great for a visit with a metal detector - or three...eventually. See the 'Shipley History' Postings on the Shipley page. Azzabuv. |
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Jennypeg
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replied on: 6/6/2005 6:46:12 PM Is this what you was looking for, I found it on ripleytoday.co.uk COFFIN FIND HALTS WORKA £666,000 project to build a new church in Marlpool was stopped last week after builders found a burial vault containing a coffin. The brick dome of the vault was found below the old stage of the Marlpool United Reformed Church hall which was demolished last month. Now the plans for the new facilities on Chapel Street may have to be altered so the vault will not be disturbed. Rev Richard Alford of Marlpool United Reformed Church said everyone had been shocked by the finding. He said: "No one had any idea of the vault's existence - it was a complete shock to us to find it. "We don't even know how old it might be. "We want to assure everyone we're treating the discovery very respectfully. "We also have a duty to ensure the matter is dealt with in line with Home Office regulations. "We're trying to find out anything we can about the grave and would ask anyone who knows anything about it to contact us." Parts of the old church were 200-years-old but the hall was added in 1954. Church members will continue to raise funds for the proposed church and community centre. Members of the church currently worship at All Saints Anglican Church and the Church of the Sacred Heart. Anyone who knows anything about the vault should contact the Rev Alford on 01773 532023 or the Rev Paula Parish West on 0115 9447780. 06 December 2002 Jenny |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 6/7/2005 10:23:08 PM i thought i read somewhere that the body was a child?, probably belonging to one of the workers or the bulder.don't quote me on this but i'm sure they found some money and had to bury it with the same. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 6/7/2005 10:59:24 PM Well, the fish-shaped coffin signifies one of two things. The fish is an early Christian symbol for Christ and it was also a strong motive of the Knights Templars/Freemasons. Which does it signify in this case? Anybody got the De Vinci Code handy? But, if there was no church on that site prior to the present one when that burial took place - who needs Roslyn Chapel? Azzabuv. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 6/7/2005 11:19:46 PM The Fish a secret sign used by the early persecuted Christians to designate themselves as believers in Jesus. The initial letters for the Greek words for "Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior", spell the Greek word for fish (see ICTHUS in the glossary). does this help azzubuv. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 6/8/2005 12:17:33 AM Don't let's get carried away with thoughts of earlier churches on the site, etc., which there weren't. The original chapel had a graveyard, which is well documented, and later they built a hall alongside the chapel, which will have taken over some of the land previously used for graves. Not all graves were marked (and just because it may have been a fancy coffin, doesn't mean that the grave will have had a stone, which, even if it had had, would have been removed to make way for the hall). The only mystery here is whose grave it is, and I suspect, if the chapel hasn't already found out, we will never know. |
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richierich1
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replied on: 6/8/2005 9:49:01 AM I saw the caretaker guy and asked him if he has found out anything else. He hasnt. He's frustrated too. He did say that there are photos of the actual coffin in the new church. You can see them on request or summat. Im going soon to take a gleg. (gleg? local dialect?) Ill let you know whats what. As for me taking a photo, I dont own a camera. Ill ask my mate to borrow hers. Ill post soon. Rich. |
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Azzabuv
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replied on: 6/8/2005 11:33:14 AM You could very well be correct, Robert...BUT, i was basing my suggestion(s) on Richie's 2nd. Posting, where he states the coffined body was/is pre-Chapel and its graveyard. If there was no other church/building at that time, the burial took place in open countryside? That sounds ancient. But...Jenny's report states that it really was beneath the Hall. Convolutions everywhere. Good luck with the camera, Richie. It should take a very interesting photo. I bet it looked spooky to those who found the body in Loscoe Dam. The only thing missing then, was a camera. P.S. 'Gleg' could well be local - drop it on the Local Thread. Azzabuv. |
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richierich1
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replied on: 6/8/2005 2:05:18 PM Thanks. Ill get a good shot. I need to mention that I think I got a date wrong. In my second post I said that the oldest part of the chapel was built in 1799. Im not sure why I put that. Forget that. The stone at the top of the chapel stated '1801' but the guy yesterday told me that this stone was taken from the original building that was somewhere on Milnhay Road. The chapel on Chapel st was built in the 1820s. Ill find out as much as pos when I go in the chapel soon. Rich. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 6/8/2005 4:53:08 PM (funny really, but the bbc site say gleg is a leicester saying). anyway about this coffin,i'm sure robert is right about getting carried away, but it would be interesting to find out. but if the caretaker cannot find out, it looks like it will remain a mystery Azzubuv forever. but saying that, there has to a record of it somewhere. |
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