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| suzard Researcher Quote | Reply | This message was updated on 9/28/2005 7:06:11 PM by suzard | Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses posted on: 9/28/2005 6:59:59 PM I have been searching for info on the Admiral Rodney and my PCless friend found this: Ripley and Heanor 27th June 1913 "HEANOR'S HALF CROWN" "Peculiar sequal to Tramway widenings-licenced house cut in half" "The road widenigs consequent upon the Tramway Scheme have caused extensive improvements all along the route from Cinderhill, on the environs of Nottingham, to Ripley. Opposite to Heanor Church the new order has caused considerable displacements to ancient properties and the White Hart Inn, a beerhouse tenanted for many generations by the Carman family, has disappeared altogether.In connection with this licenced house it is stated that when the Parish Church was built the eminence across the way, in the year 1111,the Masons were in the habit of repairing to "Ye Whyte Harte" and washed down their victuals with flagons of Nut Brown from its cellars. Next to the above house has stood for over 200 years another licenced house formally rejoicing in the title of the "Admiral Rodney". A decade ago a fatal broil took place with which the name of the Admiral Rodney became connected and as a result the sign was altered to that of the "Crown".It is in connection with this hostelry that a unique situation has arisen owing to the installation of tramways, for the roading has been widened to such an extent that the front of the house has been demolished from the floor to the ridge and in place of walls fronting to the street are huge baulks of timber. Entering a narrow doorway to which attention is directed by the word "Bar" chalked upon the timbering. Customers have the choice of either one of a row of rush bottomed chairs placed where the host formerly stood or the seat near the rockery in the back yard. Altogether in their existing state the public "rooms" present a grotesque appearance. The hostess Mrs S Lomax who has tenanted the house for 13 years accepts the situation with a good deal of equanimity and laughingly admits that although she has but a "Half a Crown" instead of a "Crown" she has less cleaning to do. Aided by the favourable weather the various constructional works for the Tramway are proceeding apace, and although there may be various inconveniences inseparable from a scheme of so large dimensions,so far there has been little in Ripley neighbourhood to which exception can be taken." This article comes with a picture of the Crown (I haven't seen it yet) In the 1950's the Crown was "an old man's pub"-very gloomy in my opinion-although I'd probably enjoy that kind of atmosphere nowadadays! The Crown is now renamed Ce Sera and is a trendy wine bar. Does anyone have further info on the White Hart and the Admiral Rodney-and especially the "fatal broil"??? |
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Jennypeg
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replied on: 9/28/2005 7:49:29 PM Hi, I've not found anything about the Admiral Rodney, but I found this the year after: Ripley and Heanor News 13th March 1914 HEANOR CROWN INN DOOMED Mr. Huish (magistrate’s clerk) informed the Bench that at the general annual licensing meeting a month ago the Justices gave instructions that Mrs Lomax, the licensee of the Crown Inn, attend that day, when they would consider the question of the renewal of her licence. The usual notices had been given and admitted, and the grounds mentioned in the notices of objections were that the licence was not required to meet the needs of the public of Heanor in this particular locality. If the bench decided to refer the house, they would have to give a report to the authority at Derby. Mr. F. G. Robinson represented the licensee and Mr. F. Burgis represented the Notts and Derbyshire Tramways Co. Supt. Walker expressed the opinion that the licence was not necessary in the interest of the public, and that the present structural condition of the house was not suitable. Mr. Robinson formally objected to the licence being referred, as it meant that his client would lose her livelihood. Mr. Burgis assured Mr. Robinson that the tenant’s rights would be quite unprejudiced by any proceedings in court that day. So far as his (Mr. Burgis’s) clients were concerned, they would bow to the decision of the bench, and try to make the best of a bad job. Sir William Smith, in intimating that the licence would be referred, said they had taken notice of what Mr. Burgis had said – that Mrs Lomax should be allowed generous consideration at the hands of the Tramways Company. Jenny |
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RMMee
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replied on: 9/29/2005 7:22:17 AM I don't know what the "fatal broil" was circa 1900, but there is detail of another fatality there, in the 1790's, on the main website Ghost Stories page. |
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suzard
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replied on: 9/29/2005 1:18:02 PM Although the newspaper report clearly states the "broil" was a decade ago-I am beginning to think it may have meant a century ago-that would more or less fit in with the "Ghost story" Anyone know if the pub was known as the Crown in the 1800's? |
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replied on: 9/29/2005 4:44:56 PM which is the oldest pub or was the oldest pub in heanor.i've been told it was the nottingham house.so come you beer boffins,delve into your history papers. |
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suzard
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replied on: 9/29/2005 11:26:59 PM I think it might have been the White Hart or "Ye Whyte Harte"-it was there in 1111! But if you mean pubs which are still standing today I guess the Market Hotel (under a previous name) might stand a good chance of being the oldest-but that is just a guess-will have to work on this one!!!! |
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replied on: 9/30/2005 12:13:31 PM thank you for that suzard.obviously you have a cleaner in...joking  wasn't the market hotel called the prince of prussian or something like this.i know it's a big task, but who's ales do you think they would be selling at that time.would they make their own on the premises. |
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RMMee
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replied on: 9/30/2005 6:46:18 PM It was the King of Prussia, and they originally brewed their own (as did all pubs), using water dragged in huge barrels from the Bailey Brook. There's a picture in one of the Society's books. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 9/30/2005 10:32:20 PM from what i tasted in the early seventies Robert, some forgot to put the hops in when they made it,just the brook. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 9/30/2005 10:35:10 PM only joking Robert(i know,you'll delete it but seriously, do you have any names of what they brewed.and suzard,which is the oldest club in heanor.would it be the heanor welfare on ilkeston rd.or the coronation. |
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suzard
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replied on: 10/1/2005 6:47:32 PM I would think there are older clubs than these-but don't know for sure-there's the Socal Club (now closed and up for sale)at the back of the Old Empire, the Conservative Club, The labour Club. They are relatively modern buildings, but may have been in existence elsewhere. As for breweries-Advert in Ripley and Heanor 1901 "Home Brewery Co Ltd Price list Mild Ales 1shilling per gallon,Strong ale 1/6 per gallon,Double Stout 1/4 per gallon,Bitter Beer 1/6 per gallon, H.B.(light dinner ale) 1/- per gallon,Pale Ale (Bitter Best Character)1/2 per gallon. Bottled Ales and Stout-all priced per dozen: Family Pale Ale half pint 1/6 pint 2/6, Light Pale Alehalf 1/8 pint 3/-, Strong Ale half 1/10 pint 3/2, Double Stout half 1/6 pint 2/6. This is not cash and the above are not supplied in quantities of less than 6 dozen half pints or 3 dozen pints. The double Stout is strongly recommended for invalids " Thought you'd appreciate this info, Robert!!! |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 10/1/2005 8:17:36 PM suzard,that is absolutely fascinating information.price per gallon !!!! Ce Sera once the crown,is probably the only pub with an advert still on it's tiled roof from way back when?. |
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suzard
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replied on: 10/18/2005 11:54:14 PM Listed in trade directories 1874 are King of Prussia(market Hotel), Nottingham House, Old Jolly Colliers, Red Lion, Derby Arms, nags head and the Crown -so who knows how old the ad on the roof is??? |
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RMMee
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replied on: 10/19/2005 5:26:41 AM The Crown is not that old a building (circa 1913) - the Crown mentioned in the directory was demolished for the tramway. |
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Iceboy53
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replied on: 10/19/2005 1:11:58 PM just had this reply back from Helen Lingwood of Hardy & Hanson brewery. "Samuel Robinson, in 1832, converted an old bakehouse in Cuckhold Alley, Kimberley, into a small brewery. In 1857 William and Thomas Hardy, of Heanor in Derbyshire, made an acceptable offer for Robinson's Brewery. Stephen Hanson launched his brewery in 1847 in Kimberley. We have no record of sales to customers in the years from 1832 to the end of the 19th century - but it would seem to be very unlikely that both brewers were not supplying customers in the Heanor area at that time." |
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Jennypeg
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replied on: 10/28/2005 6:04:50 PM Hi Sue, We will have to keep looking for "The Admiral Rodney" but I found this yesterday. By P. Eggleshaw. The tragedy, of which little is known, concerns one of the Tantum sons who was stabbed to death outside a public house in Heanor named the “Admiral Rodney.” I have never seen any record of an Inn of this name in Heanor, but it was the custom to name these places after the National heroes of the day. Admiral Rodney defended the French in a naval battle in the West Indies in 1784. The name of Hanks was mentioned in connection with the murder and Richard Hanks was the landlord of the Crown Inn at Heanor in 1825. It is possible that the Crown was named the Admiral Rodney after 1784 and was the scene of the murder.” Jenny |
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