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| san Quote | Reply | | From Derbyshire to USA posted on: 10/4/2005 10:23:04 PM I am coming across quite a few of my ancestors who were born in Derbyshire, during the mid to late 1800's, then moved to the USA. Does anyone know of a reason for this? Also, how would a mining family be able to fund their expenses? |
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suzard
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From Derbyshire to USA
replied on: 10/5/2005 9:57:38 AM In 1800's there were emigration schemes funded by the government or the company who were offering jobs. Many from industrial towns left the UK with the promise of working (and living) conditions being better. Many went via Canada and then by train to the US-no passenger lists are available pre 1865 for Canada, as Canada was a British Colony and people could travel back and forth to Canada without passports, registering on passenger lists etc. Many children emigrated from 1830's to either be adopted or to work as servants. There were also emigration schemes funded by various religious organisations.One scheme was funded by the Latterday saints(Mormons)-and many from Derbyshire sailed from Liverpool to the US on such a scheme. I assume many miners went on schemes funded by mining companies in US and Canada. Hope this helps Suz |
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Peter Chamberlain
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replied on: 10/5/2005 12:41:10 PM My Wife has relatives who sailed from Liverpool in 1853 to New Orleans.Next was a journey up the Mississippi for many miles against the current and then a 250 mile Handcart push with what little food and belongings they had to Salt Lake City. They had 2 children under 3 years old and Mary Ann Keddingtons nee Barnes reward her husband took a second wife in 1857 as is The Mormon Way but after this she still bore him 4 more children in 1857 to 1863.On a recent visit i was shown the cottages in the area with 2 front doors One for the 1st wife and one for the second.They went to the same rooms but there was a very strict Pecking order.The cost of them getting to the USA was £200 a huge amount But i suspect they were sent by Family subscription to get established as more family members went later Peter |
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suzard
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replied on: 10/5/2005 2:36:25 PM Peter, "as is " the Mormon way should be edited to "as was" Suz |
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san
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replied on: 10/5/2005 8:30:23 PM Thanks, Suzard and Peter, Another puzzle solved! Regarding one of the families, Peter's explanation ties in perfectly. They are all listed as residents of regions in Utah, including Salt Lake City. One ancestor's record listing 5 Spouses in all, and two of the marriages taking place in Salt Lake City itself. Two pairs of females share the same surname but have different marriage dates and places,( possibly sisters?). Would this have been usual practice for the Mormon religion? San |
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Peter Chamberlain
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replied on: 10/5/2005 9:47:27 PM quote: Who knows Sue Utah is a big place maybe they are still building houses with Two or More Front Doors Peter. |
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suzard
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replied on: 10/5/2005 11:23:01 PM It was only for a time men took more than one wife-very often they took another wife who had been widowed-they had a very hard time crossing the plains with their hand carts and many died on the journey. It was not uncommon for a man to be married to 2 (or more) sisters at the same time-possibly the women's parents had died -or they had been widowed. The man had to prove he could financially provide for his wives. The practice was eventually banned by the church.I know today (especially in Utah) there are churches which still allow-even encourage -a man to take many wives-I think one is called "the Church of Christ in the last days"-or variations on that . So called "Mormons" are members of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" their moral standards are very high. No sex before marriage, modest clothing, no alcohol, no smoking, etc.-and when they marry they marry for time and eternity. A widow or widower can marry-but would marry for time only.Divorcees can marry in the Church -especially (but not only) if their previous marriage had been "for time only". So in answer to your question, Peter, yes, they probably are building houses today in Utah with 2-or more -front doors-but they are not for the "Mormons". Soap box put away now-hope I've answered some of your questions! Suz |
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RMMee
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replied on: 10/6/2005 4:58:55 AM I'll leave Peter, whose picture this is, to explain. 
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suzard
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From Derbyshire to USA
replied on: 10/6/2005 11:25:18 AM Good pic, Peter/Robert-a hand cart they used to cross the plains-hard to imagine your ancestors-all their worldly goods packed onto a tiny cart-women giving birth-men having to fight- people dying on the road-walking all that way- extreme weather conditions! Six or seven years ago there was such a hand cart on display in Eastwood!-along with passenger lists of local people who sailed to US and then journeyed many miles on such a cart. So the history is more local than we realise! |
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Peter Chamberlain
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replied on: 10/6/2005 2:28:53 PM This Replica Cart photograph was taken at the Brigham Young Museum Situated on a hill overlooking The Great Salt Lake Where he said "This Is The Place Drive On"to his followers and it is where originally they settled before opening up the land and building many communties.The Temple and its surrounding building are Magnificent its family research facilities have records on hand for most countries i only went into one Library it had thousands of books and records most handwritten some 150 years ago,Over 100 Computers and this was not the Main Reseach Building.Unfortunately i was only there for One Evening but did get an invite to go at 7 am the next morning to watch the Mormon Tabernacle Choir Rehearse for there TV broadcast in there own Theatre which had 23,000 Seats(Yes 23,000)it was just amazing Peter |
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san
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replied on: 10/6/2005 8:49:14 PM Thanks for supplying all the information on this , and especially for the photograph. Most useful as I am not only researching my tree, but trying to collect as many of the historical details connected to the places where they lived in the coinciding period, in order to eventually pass all the records on to my children and grandchildren. I am also very interested in finding out how these ancestor's would have dressed during the 1800's (also what the local people of Heanor would have worn in 1600's - 1900's). San |
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suegill
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replied on: 10/6/2005 9:19:45 PM A great link to costumes of the past. http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.aol.com%2Fnebula5%2Ftcpinfo2.html Sue |
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suzard
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replied on: 10/7/2005 10:39:04 AM If you put Ensign LDS Magazine into a search engine-you should get PDF Magazine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints The church magazine "Ensign" is on line. Ensign 2003 -one month the front cover shows the style of dress-and the article "a Walk down Parley St" has further pics Suz |
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