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Sipson Quote \| Reply \| This message was updated on 1/18/2006 4:02:25 PM by Sipson	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill posted on: 1/18/2006 4:01:27 PM I'm researching my fathers side of the family. So far I have only got as far back as my G-Grandfather Thomas Allen from a copy of my Grandfathers birth certificate. It says that in 1911 they lived at 17 North Street Langley Mill. My Grandfather was one of 6 children. Their names were, William, John, George, Charles, Miriam & Roy. Their mother's name wasEdith Annie Allen, formerly Williamson. Unfortunately, the 1901 census shows that they did not live at that address then. If anyone has any information as regards the Allen's at that address, I would be greatful. Thank you.
Jennypeg Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/18/2006 5:30:27 PM 1891 census Williamson Edith A 1 Langley Mill RG12/2664 31, 17, 98 North St William Williamson head M 40 coal miner Langley/Mill Amy Williamson wife 35 L/M Charlotte Williamson daur 11 L/M Pheobe Williamson daur 9 L/M Lily M daur 7 L/M Edith A Williamson daur 1 L/M Could this be your Edith?
Sipson Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/18/2006 6:00:00 PM Thanks Jenny, it certainly could be. You have written 31,17,98 North Street, what does that refer to, sure not all 3 addresses? My Grandfather was born John Allen 22nd December 1911 and was the second eldest of 6. In 1911, the Edith A that you wrote of would have been 21 years old. 5 children at 21 years old? maybe not. Thanks though. BTW, where did you get the 1891 census info from? Thanks
Jennypeg Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/18/2006 8:45:13 PM The column headings are: Surname. Forename. Age. Place. Ref. No. Folio. Page. Schedule. from the Derbyshire name index for the 1891 census. Jenny
suegill Researcher Quote \| Reply \| This message was updated on 1/18/2006 8:56:02 PM by suegill	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/18/2006 8:54:29 PM You say above that she would have had 5 children by age 21. Then you say your grandfather was second eldest born in 1811. Surely at 21 she would only have her second child? That seems quite possible. There is an Edith Annie Williamson living in Buxton on the 1901 census. She was born in 1889. Sue
suzard Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/18/2006 8:57:45 PM Your grandfather was born 1911 and was the 2nd child-so Edith would only have 2 children at the age of 20-not at all unusual
suegill Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/18/2006 9:08:26 PM Theres a marriage on freeBMD between Thomas Allen and Edith A Williamson Jun Q 1911 Basford 7b 486. Sue
Sipson Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/18/2006 10:03:34 PM Yes, your'e quite right, it is possible as he would have been the second child at that time in 1911. Thanks very much for the information.
suzard Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/19/2006 10:37:16 AM If you send for the marriage certificate of THOMAS ALLEN and EDITH ANNIE WILLIAMSON it will give you the name of THOMAS 'S father (and EDITHS too) It seems very likely that Edith's parents were WILLIAM WILLIAMSON and AMY 1881 shows them living at North St with 1 year old daughter CHARLOTTE (birth place is given as Bassingham Derby-sometimes on census the birth place differs or is mistranscribed) 1891 shows them still at North St 1901 shows the family (except Charlotte) (all born Langley Mill) living at Eastwood -WILLIAM then was a coal miner contractor
Sipson Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/19/2006 6:57:39 PM quote: Theres a marriage on freeBMD between Thomas Allen and Edith A Williamson Jun Q 1911 Basford 7b 486. Sue Do you mean they married in June 1911? That would mean that their eldest son would have been born out of wedlock
Sipson Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/19/2006 7:08:55 PM quote: If you send for the marriage certificate of THOMAS ALLEN and EDITH ANNIE WILLIAMSON it will give you the name of THOMAS 'S father (and EDITHS too) It seems very likely that Edith's parents were WILLIAM WILLIAMSON and AMY 1881 shows them living at North St with 1 year old daughter CHARLOTTE (birth place is given as Bassingham Derby-sometimes on census the birth place differs or is mistranscribed) 1891 shows them still at North St 1901 shows the family (except Charlotte) (all born Langley Mill) living at Eastwood -WILLIAM then was a coal miner contractor Thanks very much for your help so far but because I'm new to all of this I would like to know where I should go for a copy of their marriage certificate. Thanks
suegill Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/19/2006 10:26:59 PM quote: quote: Theres a marriage on freeBMD between Thomas Allen and Edith A Williamson Jun Q 1911 Basford 7b 486. Sue Do you mean they married in June 1911? That would mean that their eldest son would have been born out of wedlock It means that the marriage was registered in the June Quarter (it would take pleace between late March and before late June). Marriages are registered on a quarterly basis March, June, September and December. But yes it probably does means that the first child was born out of wedlock. When you dig further back into your tree you'll probably find a few more :-) Sue
suegill Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/19/2006 10:30:27 PM You can order online from the National website or the Derbyshire one. the references you need are as above. (Jun Q 1911 Basford 7b 486). Sue District - Basford Quarter - June Year - 1911 Book - 7b Page - 486
suzard Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/19/2006 10:43:09 PM Think this is possibly the marriage of Edith's sister Charlotte Dec qtr 1899 Basford district 7b 415 Marriage CHARLOTTE WILLIAMSON SAMUEL WILDSMITH WILCOCKSON 1901 they were living at Awsworth
suegill Researcher Quote \| Reply \| This message was updated on 1/19/2006 10:53:50 PM by suegill	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/19/2006 10:53:09 PM Heres the address of the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/marriages/
Sipson Quote \| Reply \|	Thomas Allen - 17 North Street Langley Mill replied on: 1/20/2006 2:19:56 PM quote: quote: quote: Theres a marriage on freeBMD between Thomas Allen and Edith A Williamson Jun Q 1911 Basford 7b 486. Sue Do you mean they married in June 1911? That would mean that their eldest son would have been born out of wedlock It means that the marriage was registered in the June Quarter (it would take pleace between late March and before late June). Marriages are registered on a quarterly basis March, June, September and December. But yes it probably does means that the first child was born out of wedlock. When you dig further back into your tree you'll probably find a few more :-) Sue Thank you very much indeed Sue. BTW, you don't have to dig to far back in my family to find a few more of those. I was one of them ;>
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