Heanor District Local History.Mining

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Sue R Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery posted on: 11/13/2006 7:21:55 PM I recall as a child in the 50's staying at my grandparents in Grammer Street, Denby Village, and my grandfather Tom Brown (born Loscoe)working in the pit which was just down the road. I remember there being a little shop on the left which sold everything you could want and to get to the door you went down a few steps. On the right was Denby Common (?) - still there and still open land. Can anyone tell me which colliery this was please. My grandfathers family were all Loscoe miners, his parents were Moses and Ruth (nee Barker also Loscoe, lived on Loscoe Grange)and grandparents Ulysses Brown and Harriet (nee unknown)Thanks, Sue
loomis Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 8:06:49 PM Sue, If the pit you are talking about is the one with the conical red-shale spoil heap situated up the lane opposite Denby church, and visible for miles around, then this would be New Winnings, the man-riding shaft for the Denby Drury-Lowe Colliery. The coal was wound at the 'Old Pit' situated on Park Hall Road, just off the old A 61. New Winnings closed around 1960 when the former Kilburn Colliery was re-opened to access reserves in the lower coal measures, and the New Winnings shaft then just used for pumping until the colliery closed completely in January 1968. All traces of mining were obliterated by subsequent opencast mining. I have some old photo's of the pit, and am looking for more. Anyone out there with anything on Denby Mining please let me know.
Jennypeg Researcher Quote \| Reply \| This message was updated on 11/13/2006 8:14:52 PM by Jennypeg	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 8:12:47 PM Sue, Census 1851 Loscoe John Brown Head Widow age ? frame-work-knitter Codnor Ullyus Brown son18 coal miner Loscoe John Brown son 15 coal miner Loscoe Thomas Brown son 11 Loscoe 1861 Census Brown Ullyus Head 30 Coal miner Loscoe Brown Harriet wife 23 Langley Mill Brown Ullyus son 1 Loscoe Brown John Head 25 Coal miner Loscoe Brown Sarah Wife 24 Smalley 1871 Census Loscoe Brown John Head 35 Coal miner Loscoe Brown Sarah Wife 32 Langley Mill Brown John H. son 9 Loscoe Brown Onesimus son 6 Loscoe Brown Thurston son 1 Loscoe 1881 Census Loscoe Brown John Head 45 Coalminer Loscoe Brown Sarah Wife 43 Loscoe Brown John H. son 19 Loscoe Brown Onesimus son 16 Loscoe Brown Thurston son 11 Loscoe Brown Titus son 8 Loscoe Brown Harriet E. - daughter - 6 - Loscoe Onesimus was my Ggrandfather, the families lived in the Nook Loscoe on Denby Lane Loscoe and Grammer St they would have worked at Loscoe pit and then across the road at Ormonde. Jenny
Jennypeg Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 8:18:30 PM St James Church Codnor 144- 25th December 1856 by Banns Groom Ulysses Brown * 23 years Bachelor miner of Codnor father John Brown Miner Bride Harriet Ford * 19 years spinster no occupation of Codnor father Moses Ford miner witnessed by John Brown * and Harriet Lingard*.
Sue R Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 8:27:16 PM Loomis, that must be the one. Until 2 years ago, the last time I went there was 1962!!! The house in Grammer Street is still there, back then, the house overlooked fields and the pit, with the Common over the road on the right, I am sure there was a chapel on the right too, so it must be. There was a lake at the pit head (as most had)with lots of ducks and swans !!!! If anyone else has any memories that link, know of any surviving relatives of the Browns, or anything else, I would be grateful. Thanks for that, Sue
Sue R Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 8:35:05 PM Jennypeg - wow, I have all your Browns on my tree !! John Edward c1836 m to Sarah had a brother Ulysses c1832 m Harriet. Ulysses was my GGG Grandfather, making Onesimus a distant cousin to me - Im not sure of the "4th x removed" etc stuff,Sue !
loomis Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 8:46:25 PM Sue, Reading your last response, and working from your description of the pond, I think the pit you're thinking of is Ormonde Colliery, situated adjacent to Loscoe Dam. This closed in September 1970, and the site has been opencasted. I remember accompanying my father to draw his last pay packet from the Pay Office. The shop you're thinking of is possibly Loscoe Post Office at the junction of Loscoe Denby Lane and High Street, but this has steps up, not down. Give us another clue !
Sue R Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 9:22:23 PM Loomis, ok, now you have me hunting for the Derby A-Z !!!! lol. I only get to Derby about 4 times a year, so not too familiar with street names !! Right, Grammer St is still there, and is off Loscoe-Denby Lane, and does now reach High Street. In the 50's there was no High Street, just open fields and the pit head, the shop I remember may well be the post office on the corner, but I recall it being a shop that sold everything, groceries (butter by the chunk, paddled into a rectangle with wooden bats then wrapped in brown paper, tied with string, haberdashery, sweets, cleaning thigs - anything and everything. I wasn't allowed to go and wait for my grandfather any further than the shop, because my grandma could see me from the front window there !! It was definitely down a couple of steps though, but that was, of course 46 years ago! I think the little chapel was opposite the shop. Denby Common was (and still is, of course) on the opposite side of the road to the shop and Grammer St. Looking at my A-Z, Loscoe Dam is indeed just further down, so the Ormonde seems more likely.......also, as you can see by Jennypeg's post, my grandfathers relatives worked in the Ormonde pit !!
loomis Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 9:37:56 PM Sue, If the pit was downhill from Grammer Street, (turn left) then it would definitely be Ormonde Colliery. The Post Office is still thriving and sells newspapers, alcohol, groceries etc. On the opposite corner is the Baptist Chapel, so I think we have the correct location. Billy Belfield would have been the Postmaster in the 1950's. The O.A P. complex opposite is Belfield Court, named after him. Come back more often Sue, we need the tourists !
Sue R Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 10:04:10 PM Loomis, looks like we have a hit, thank you so much. As for visiting Derby more often, though I was born in Blackpool and still live here, Derby is where my heart is. Unfortunately, I lost touch with my grandparents when I was about 9 (1962) as my parents had a very acrimonious divorce. I have been trying to find my mother for 20 years without success, but believe she is still in Derby. And, sadly, by the time I found my grandparents who lived in Grammer St, it was too late, they had both died. Shame there wasn't todays technology all those years ago. I found other strong blood roots in Biggin near Hartington only 3 years ago, also my grandparents ancestors in Loscoe/Codnor over the last 3 years. I get to Derby about 4 times a year, and visit Grammer St, Denby/Loscoe/Codnor every time. I so cherish my memories of meeting grandad from the pit, with his helmet with a light on it, black from head to foot with his 'bagging' tin and enamel drink can. Him having a bath in front of the black kitchen range with green fairy soap. I also cherish Derby roots and hope to retire there eventually. Many thanks for your help, you have made it more real to me, Sue
Jennypeg Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 10:48:42 PM Grammer St then just below the rec, a bungalow and then a row of houses the first house was a shop Alice Cresswell's you had to go down a step to the shop, Alice also played the piano at the Denby Lane Mission.
Jennypeg Researcher Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/13/2006 11:03:41 PM In 1945 Thomas Brown lived at 6 Grammer St with Fanny Brown and also at number 6 was Harry Pardner and Nellie Pardner. Jenny
Sue R Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/14/2006 9:40:15 AM Hi Jenny, Nellie was my mother and Harry was her 1st husband. They did indeed live at 6 Grammer St. I would very much like to talk to you further on this, but I am aware that this Mining forum isnt the place ! Any suggestions please? Sue
RMMee Moderator Quote \| Reply \|	Denby colliery replied on: 11/14/2006 12:50:22 PM Sue If you click on Jenny's name in the post above your's, you will find there is an option to email her. If you want to conduct your conversation in public (and I have to say that I was fascinated to see how your query achieved such a quick and full response), then a new thread in the family history section would probably be best. Pleased that the site's users have found some good information for you. Robert
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