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Message: Emoticon Listing HTML Help	[quote]There are about 7 recently modern meanings of Greave - including Scottish tax collectors, whale fat, gravel, brushwood and thicket, mine/pit and shin armour. Lower leg or shin armour - greaves - is from Old French greve. Since Allgrave was opencast for coal recently and The History of Mining mentions mine soughs plus the fact that mining for minerals and coal, in this area dates back to Saxon times I feel the old farm is named, as on Burdett's map, for the Old Mines. Oldgreave, Ouldgreave, Oldgroaves etc derive originally from the Old Saxon graefa (modern computers do not have the appropriate letters!) OS graefa = grove & greave = mine, pit. A parallel with what is now Allgrave/Owlgreave etc., is Youlgreave = old greave =old mine or mines (The Alport, Youlgreave area was a major lead mining region). Near Sheldon is Fieldgrove mine also known as Field Groove,Field Rake. In Derbyshire from at least the 13th century miners were known as groovers and mines as grooves. In the Mendips the same terms applied but in Swaledale there is a slight difference in that gruve = a lead mine & a gruver was a lead miner. In Northumberland a grove was a mine and a grove-hole was a footrill/drift/adit. So you have the Old Saxon root and then the immigration of German miners, invited for example by Elizabeth I, who brought with them German terms derived from Old Teutonic grad (the d should have the slashed line through it -computer limitations again!) =mine,pit From this comes: Old High German gruoba Old Middle German gruobe Modern German grube = mine,pit Hope this helps - by the way philfred can you imagine crawling across 23s face in leg armour? Since I had to do it twice without kneepads leg armour would have been welcome. bennerley. [/quote]
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Ouldgeave, Oldgrave, Oldgroaves?
replied on: 12/6/2006 12:05:02 PM

There are about 7 recently modern meanings of Greave - including Scottish tax collectors, whale fat, gravel, brushwood and thicket, mine/pit and shin armour.

Lower leg or shin armour - greaves - is from Old French greve.

Since Allgrave was opencast for coal recently and The History of Mining mentions mine soughs plus the fact that mining for minerals and coal, in this area dates back to Saxon times I feel the old farm is named, as on Burdett's map, for the Old Mines.

Oldgreave, Ouldgreave, Oldgroaves etc derive originally from the Old Saxon graefa (modern computers do not have the appropriate letters!)

OS graefa = grove & greave = mine, pit. A parallel with what is now Allgrave/Owlgreave etc., is Youlgreave = old greave =old mine or mines (The Alport, Youlgreave area was a major lead mining region). Near Sheldon is Fieldgrove mine also known as Field Groove,Field Rake.

In Derbyshire from at least the 13th century miners were known as groovers and mines as grooves. In the Mendips the same terms applied but in Swaledale there is a slight difference in that gruve = a lead mine & a gruver was a lead miner. In Northumberland a grove was a mine and a grove-hole was a footrill/drift/adit.

So you have the Old Saxon root and then the immigration of German miners, invited for example by Elizabeth I, who brought with them German terms derived from Old Teutonic grad (the d should have the slashed line through it -computer limitations again!) =mine,pit

From this comes:
Old High German gruoba
Old Middle German gruobe
Modern German grube = mine,pit

Hope this helps - by the way philfred can you imagine crawling across 23s face in leg armour? Since I had to do it twice without kneepads leg armour would have been welcome. bennerley.

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