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Message: Emoticon Listing HTML Help	[quote]Well... Done some more research, and may have shot my own theory in the foot... Derby local studies were kind enough to provide me with access to a copy of the Rawling's MSS. about 1820 - it is quite obvious that Cox based an awful lot of his information about Heanor Church from this (however only credits Rawling with referance to a drawing of the church). Rawlin states that the church "is dedicated to St. Michael" I discounted this presuming the same confusion over rough Heanor as with Cox, and presumed this was where Cox got "St Michael" from. Then, finally tracked down the "Pegge" MSS (thanks to the College of arms) that Cox meantions - this makes it clear it is us and not Rough Heanor. "a large village upon a high hill by wch means ye steeple is very conspicuousâ€¦ the coal is hard and durable" and guess what? "the ch. dedicated to St Michael, and is now a poor Vicarage, in ye gift of ye Crown, of Â£16 12s clear value". And just to ensure that there is no confusion with Rough Heanor Pegge mentions that the Manor belonged to the "Grey's of Codnor" So 1 : Cox was incorrect about us being under St Mary's in Derby - this WAS Rough Heanor. 2 : Cox was correct about the fact the name change, but not with the date (he says sixteenth century) 3 : Based on Pegge and Rawling we know that it was still St Michael up to at least (roughly) 1820. 4 : We know that the Church was St Lawrence by 1867 as we have architects map of the "present church" just before demolition calling the Church St Lawrence. So, somewhere the between 1820-1867 the name DID change, now all we need is exactly when and why. I'm thinking it was closer to the 1820 end as Claud seems annoyed with it being called St Michael and adament that is had always been St Lawrence, it would not be consistent with the information about his character that he would have done so if he was aware that the name had changed. So the change must have been prior to Frederick arriving (1886) as otherwise Claud would have been aware of it from his parents.[/quote]
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St Michael vs St Lawrence
replied on: 4/4/2007 3:41:35 PM

Well...

Done some more research, and may have shot my own theory in the foot...

Derby local studies were kind enough to provide me with access to a copy of the Rawling's MSS. about 1820 - it is quite obvious that Cox based an awful lot of his information about Heanor Church from this (however only credits Rawling with referance to a drawing of the church). Rawlin states that the church "is dedicated to St. Michael"

I discounted this presuming the same confusion over rough Heanor as with Cox, and presumed this was where Cox got "St Michael" from.

Then, finally tracked down the "Pegge" MSS (thanks to the College of arms) that Cox meantions - this makes it clear it is us and not Rough Heanor. "a large village upon a high hill by wch means ye steeple is very conspicuousâ€¦ the coal is hard and durable" and guess what? "the ch. dedicated to St Michael, and is now a poor Vicarage, in ye gift of ye Crown, of Â£16 12s clear value". And just to ensure that there is no confusion with Rough Heanor Pegge mentions that the Manor belonged to the "Grey's of Codnor"

So
1 : Cox was incorrect about us being under St Mary's in Derby - this WAS Rough Heanor.
2 : Cox was correct about the fact the name change, but not with the date (he says sixteenth century)
3 : Based on Pegge and Rawling we know that it was still St Michael up to at least (roughly) 1820.
4 : We know that the Church was St Lawrence by 1867 as we have architects map of the "present church" just before demolition calling the Church St Lawrence.

So, somewhere the between 1820-1867 the name DID change, now all we need is exactly when and why.

I'm thinking it was closer to the 1820 end as Claud seems annoyed with it being called St Michael and adament that is had always been St Lawrence, it would not be consistent with the information about his character that he would have done so if he was aware that the name had changed. So the change must have been prior to Frederick arriving (1886) as otherwise Claud would have been aware of it from his parents.

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