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Azzabuv This message was updated on 6/1/2005 7:29:05 PM by Azzabuv	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 6/1/2005 7:27:33 PM On page 54, of the Society's newest publication - 'A Portrait of Heanor and District 1900-2004', there is a photograph of the Lake, very similar to the one on the 'Picture the Past' Site, concerning the identity of Woodside Colliery. The area(s) look distinctly similar, giving a good 90% for both seperate photographs to be of Woodside Colliery, taken in different years, even down to the American Adventure site of today. Azzabuv.
Azzabuv	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/22/2005 11:57:25 PM I don't know about you, Simon, but don't you think an unbiased Ref is now called for? Unless you've got a Time-Machine stored in the shed - problem solved. The Site as photgraphed, doesn't look 100% Woodside. The angle of the Headstock and the Engine-house in connection to the corner of the roads in front of them for example. But, then again, that could be because of the rear angle of the camera shot. It does puzzle. Azzabuv.
simonsboswell	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/22/2005 1:55:58 PM I may be wrong as the view is quite old and I only remeber things around there after they were flattened. Field lane is the road that runs from shipley lane to heanor road/hardy/hassock. From the angle of the photo, taking a side on view of the engine house, then behind would be the fields between their and the lane, the main roud is more to the right and and would be going away from camera rather than parallel at that distance. As I say the age may be deceiving me, but the road in the distance just looks wrong for this angle/location.
Azzabuv This message was updated on 4/20/2005 2:59:45 PM by Azzabuv	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/20/2005 2:56:45 PM It appears to be time for further reflection of this whole issue. I've re-studied the photograph as closely as possible. A few minor (oops, a Pun?) details do stand out, such as the upper steepness of the lane leading towards Hassock Lane, but this could have obviously altered over time. Also, the right-hand support of the Headstock itself. The high-up angle/view of the camera could also be explained for Woodside Colliery IF our intrepid photographer was used to shinnying up trees. I.E. the top of the tree in the foreground, in front of the camera. The lane running down the left-side of the site, also appears to be the one leading to the 'Dog Kennel' area, including the Coppice Plant works behind it. Halfway down that lane, on the right, should be the track through the trees leading directly to Shipley Pond. The rough ground area, just above the tree limit, across from the Colliery, definitely looks very similar to how it appeared till a few decades ago and in a way, is still on the rough side today. As things stand at the moment, Simon, i'll still give the photograph, in my opinion only, of course, a 90% yea for it being Woodside Colliery. Which is the Field Lane, you mention? Azzabuv.
simonsboswell	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/20/2005 12:00:24 PM Also the engine house is different to the current one, different design and bigger. The other photos on picturethepast of the engine house show the differences.
simonsboswell	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/20/2005 11:57:14 AM Not sure the angles match up for woodside though, nor the steepness of the incline the photo is taken from. With the angle of the engine house, the road/houses in the distance would be field lane, not heanor road/hardy.
Azzabuv This message was updated on 4/16/2005 1:47:54 PM by Azzabuv	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/16/2005 1:42:15 PM Yes, Phil. That part of the photograph as shown, is well remembered. That's the old Engine House behind the Headstock. (Not trains). We did our Underground training there, before transferring to Coppice Colliery some months later. The layout of the surface buildings are remembered clearly - ESPECIALLY that lovely warm canteen, on those cold Winter days. Azzabuv.
philfred	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/16/2005 11:57:40 AM I must make the effort to get over to the area and have a walk round to refresh the old grey cells. I am more familiar with Coppice than Woodside but from azzabuv's mails it makes sense now. regards Phil
Azzabuv This message was updated on 4/15/2005 11:28:53 PM by Azzabuv	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/15/2005 11:28:15 PM It's Woodside. Where the headstock is, they put a new one up a few years ago. The lane which runs down to the left, next to the woods, halfway down, is the cut off on the right for the path through the wood, which brings you directly to Shipley Pond. The American Adventure Park is directly to the right of the headstock. The road in the distance is the Heanor to Ilkeston Road - the original Sye Lane. Following the distant road to its left, brings you to the high ground of Hardy Barn, also visible. Azzabuv.
philfred	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/15/2005 4:04:44 PM The picture is on Terry Blythes web site. If the image is the real thing on Terrys site then there is no chance of the one on picturethepast being Mapperley. I believe there is/was a farm very close to Mapperley Pit and the image on Terry's site has a farm on it. Confirmation of this, please, Terry's site address is http://terryblythe.co.uk. Several pits in the forums area are mentioned with a good write up by A Hudson of his career starting at Ormonde and finishing at No 5 Area HQ. regards Phil
philfred	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/15/2005 12:22:39 PM More pondering over the picture, could it be Mapperley. If it was Woodside then surely the res and dirthill should be in the middle ground to the left of centre. Anyone else like to venture an opinion, must have another look on "picturethepast". I think there is a picture of Mapperley Colliery hiding on there. regards Phil
philfred	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/8/2005 7:04:17 AM I.ve had all night to ponder over the picture. It is more likely to be Woodside than Coppice. Just had a look through the magnifying glass at the wagons. Nothing is apparent apart from the usual wagon type markings. The object to the left of the lamp in the foreground appears to be shunting locomotive with no roof over the cab. regards Phil
Azzabuv This message was updated on 4/8/2005 12:02:29 PM by Azzabuv	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/7/2005 7:50:56 PM It doesn't seem to fit the Coppice Colliery view very much at all. If, by a long fluke it is, then it was photographed from a very odd angle? Personally, i'd plunge for Woodside Colliery. Are the buildings/houses viewed in the distant background - Ilkeston Rd; and heading towards Hardy Barn on the left hand side? Azzabuv.
philfred	Coppice Colliery Picture replied on: 4/7/2005 2:25:01 PM On the picturethepast site is a picture credited with being Coppice Colliery. The site asks for confirmation of the picture being of Coppice Colliery. The image is titled DCHQ003038.jpg and can be found easily by searching for Shipley. It does not look right to me but the headgear on the right hand side looks like the Mickley Headgear. regards Phil

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