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Jennypeg Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 12/26/2005 11:10:17 AM I’ve not got any more info on the Inn or William Calladine but this maybe the Edward Stainsby? And look who his wife’s sister was Ilkeston Pioneer 6th Dec 1860 HEANOR An Inquest was held on the 2nd inst, at the house of Mr Thomas Rimington, the "Old Jolly Colliers," before Mr.Whiston, jun, coroner, on the body of Sarah, wife of Edward Stainsby. It appeared from the evidence of Edward Stainsby, the husband, that his wife was pregnant, and was near her confinement. On Sunday, the 2nd inst, about 10 /2 p.m. she complained of being poorly; he asked her if he must fetch the doctor, and she said no; he then fetched her sister, and afterwards went for Mr. Donovan, surgeon, who refused to come, as he had not been spoken to about it before. He next fetched a midwife named Bircumshaw, and when they arrived they found her on the floor beside the sofa, with her sister supporting her head, they supposed she had fainted, and lifted her on to the sofa. The husband then started to fetch Mr. Grant, and met P.c. Stevenson in the street, and requested him to go and look at his wife; he did so, and found her dead. Mr. Grant soon arrived, who also declared her dead, and the child unborn. The evidence of Mary Calladine, sister to the deceased, and Hannah Bircumshaw, the midwife, corroborated the foregoing statements, and further stated that when deceased was informed that Mr. Donovan refused to come she said she was a lost woman, and never appeared to rally afterwards. Mr. Grant gave it as his opinion that she had died from syncope, or prostration of the neroussystem, which might be increased by being informed of the refusal of Mr. Donovan to attend her. The jury returned a verdict of "Died from natural causes, viz., syncope." Jenny
Peter Chamberlain Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 12/26/2005 8:52:43 AM 1851 Census for Derbyshire shows 4 William Calladines born Heanor William bn 1825 Hener?Heanor Lodger at Blackwell in 1854 age 29 William Bn 1813 Heanor Head in 1854 age 41 William Bn 1836 Heanor Son in 1854 age 18 William Bn 1841 Heanor in 1854 age 13 Father David
Alan Sharkey	Tag Hill replied on: 12/25/2005 10:37:48 PM On 6/10/2005 'JENNYPEG' said: A deposit of £2 a-side was made on Monday November 29th, at Mr Osborne’s, “four Bms Inn” Taghill, between William Calladine and James Prince, and another deposit of £1 a-side is to be made on Monday next at the same place. William Calladine is gone into active training at Cotmanhay, whilst James Prince has taken up his quarters at Mr Osborne’s, under the watchful eye of the well-known E. Stainesby, better known by the name of “Rabbi”. This seems to have been Dec 1858. My Great Grandfather William Calladine was born at Nookend in 1854, and by 1891 had moved to Taghill. The entire population of Heanor in 1854 was less than 5,000 and the Calladines in Taghill/Nookend were almost certainly related, but I can't trace another William Calladine. Can anyone identify this man or say anythiong more about the fight and its outcome?
Azzabuv This message was updated on 6/25/2005 5:31:44 PM by Azzabuv	Tag Hill replied on: 6/25/2005 5:30:30 PM Does anyone know where the 'Four Posteriors Beer House' was on Tag Hill? *(i know - but it sounds more 'upperness'. Decorum.....please). Azzabuv.
Jennypeg Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 6/23/2005 7:18:09 AM Hi Sue, I think you are right about the dates. Jenny
suegill Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 6/23/2005 12:38:36 AM I hit return too quick. The number before the date is the grave space.
suegill Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 6/23/2005 12:37:31 AM The date in the cemetery record is the date of burial so it could still be right. Sue
Jennypeg Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 6/22/2005 8:15:12 PM Hi Sue, I've check the deaths: on the Heanor Marlpool Cemetery 1858-1912 it is: Taylor 2407 Ellen Taylor relict of Samuel Taylor 73 Marlpool Heanor 2958 25th July 1887 and on the Heanor Memorial Inscriptions its: C30 In / Loving memory of Ellen Taylor / (of Askey Sick) who died July 21st 1887 / aged 79 years / also William son of the above / who died Dec 21 1910 / aged 78 years / he giveth his beloved sleep (slate headstone) so I looked up William and: 5874 Taylor 5868 William Taylor Tailor 78 yrs Askye sick Marlpool 2958 , 22 December 1910 so we have two dates that are different from the M.I.s and another spelling for Askey! so its always best to cross check, next time I'm at Matlock or the cemetery i will look the dates up. Jenny
RMMee Moderator	Tag Hill replied on: 6/22/2005 6:45:30 PM I suspect that it was a typo by the newspaper in 1975 - just can't go along with a search for aspens!
suegill Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 6/22/2005 4:03:57 PM From Roger Hellings transcription of the first part of the cemetery records - Ellen TAYLOR Relict of Samuel Taylor 73 Marlpool Heanor 2958 25/07/1887
Jennypeg Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 6/22/2005 1:09:17 PM Hi, I’ve rechecked the news clipping (4th July 1975 Ripley & Heanor) and it’s Apsey Sic, but on the Marlpool M.I.s I’ve found C30 in loving memory of Ellen Taylor (of Askey Sick) who died July 21st 1887 aged 79 years. Jenny
Azzabuv This message was updated on 6/22/2005 12:40:25 PM by Azzabuv	Tag Hill replied on: 6/22/2005 12:38:40 PM Unless, Robert, there's a record of some Aspen trees, or Aspen tree copse in Heanor, once, somewhere? It does seem as if she was listing different Heanor names by adjascent areas? You could be correct though. Time to launch the Aspen tree(s) search. Azzabuv.
RMMee Moderator	Tag Hill replied on: 6/21/2005 6:29:50 PM Going back to the first post in this thread, I have found that the Society has previously printed part of this article, and when we did so we recorded "Askey Sic," not "Apsey Sic." Not sure where the mistake came in, but I am convinced that Apsey is a mistake!
Jennypeg Researcher	Tag Hill replied on: 6/21/2005 2:29:32 PM Hi, I've found a little bit more about The Four Bums Beer-house. Jenny Ilkeston Pioneer 30th June 1859 Heanor Beer-house Information. – Mrs Osborne, of Tagg Hill, landlady of the Four Bums Beer-house, was charged by Sergeant Brady with keeping her house open for the sale of beer at a quarter past 11 o’clock p.m. on the 18th instant. The constable stated that he visited the house at the time just named, and there found a number of persons, and some of them were playing at dominoes, and her son was in the cellar drawing drink: he asked Osborne if he knew what time it was, when he replied that it was not 11 o’clock, at the same time pulling out his watch; he then said it was 11 ¼. Mrs Osborne said that the house did not belong to her but to her son, and that there was nothing wrong on the night in question, and called David Turton, who, on appearing said, Gentlemen I am no speaker (laughter), and then commenced to relate what the sign of the Four Bums meant, he said it meant a policeman, a parish constable, and two bum-bailiffs. The Bench ordered Mrs Osborne to pay 11s. 6d. and to be more cautious in future, and not to lend her name to appear on sign-boards.
Azzabuv This message was updated on 6/10/2005 11:11:45 AM by Azzabuv	Tag Hill replied on: 6/10/2005 11:11:15 AM Hi, Jenny. It sounds like they were in training for a good old bare-knuckle 'boxing' contest. R.E. the Inn. Well, that's a good one. In 1857, there were two Osborne's listed for Heanor. Adam Osborne, furniture broker and Jno. Osborne, boot and shoemaker, of the Common. But the Inn's name is a new one on me. 'Bms' - Boot/shoe manufacturers?, but in an inn? The number four is a puzzler too, as yet.

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