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Iceboy53	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 6/3/2007 11:09:45 AM Robert-Suzard, where the new heritage building is now,there used be public toilets at the side and i always saw the council workman going behind here with stuff for the stalls etc.i don't know actually when the public toilets were demolished and the new block built.
suzard Researcher	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 6/1/2007 11:36:45 AM Thank you, Robert, that is where we assumed it would be -can remember the science block being built but are racking our brains as to what that area looked like pre building of the science block. Will have to get a few more ex HGS on the case.
RMMee Moderator	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 6/1/2007 8:08:37 AM The Crown and the White Hart were situated where the college science-block now is. As mentioned in the newspaper article, once the buildings were gone, the town's fire engine was based here, in a council depot, until the Fire Station was built on Wilmot Street. The council yard was, I understand, there until the building of the science block in the early 1960's.
suzard Researcher	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 6/1/2007 2:16:39 AM R&H 11 Sept 1914 The Future of the Crown Inn Heanor About two years ago, when the Notts and Derbys Tramways Co commenced the track from Nottingham to Ripley, one of the places on the route to be partially demolished was the Crown Inn, heanor. In the operations the whole of the front of the house was practically razed to the ground, leaving nothing but the bar and the back portions of the premises. Arrangements were come to between the licensee (Mrs Sarah Lomax) and the Company that she should be compensated by the erection of a new commodious and up to date building. Various applications were made to the heanor Bench, respecting the licence, but no definate arrangements however could be come to, as the Heanor magistrates were of the opinion that the needs of the district were amply and satisfactorily supplied, apart from this licence. Several attempts were made to influence the Bench to change their minds, but without apparant effect. A new phase has been given to the matter. It seems that Heanor Urban District Council urgently require more land for the Fire Station, and also for technical purposes. This new idea was intimated at the Sessions on Monday, when Mr F.Burgis, solicitor for the Tramway Company, appeared and stated his case to the bench, and made an offer to undertake to give up the interest in this land, which was formerly the site of the Old White Hart (now pulled down) and the present site of the Crown Inn, for the sum of £50, providing the bench would transfer this licence to a new building to be erected in Church Street. Mr Burgis said his clients were prepared to consent to these old sites being handed over to heanor Council for the proposed amount. Plans were produced by Mr taylor, architect for the Tram Company, showing the proposed building to be erected in Church St, and the architect was prepared to tell the Bench that the extension or removal of the premises would not increase the accomodation area for drinking. Mr Burgis said there were certain alterations which had already been suggested by that bench, and added to the plans, and the revised plans embodied the Bench's suggestions. After fully considering the matter and plans, Mr Woolley, on behalf of the bench,said they were in favour of granting the application for a new building to be erected on the new site, but it would be with the understanding that Mr F. Cattle (clerk to the District Council) formulated an agreement between the Tramways Company and the Heanor Council, with the proposed alterations, and in acceeding to the decision of the bench, Mr Burgis expressed on behalf of his clients, thanks. He was glad to recognise that they had been able to meet the views of the bench, and hoped that the new building, when erected, would be satisfactory and meet the needs of Heanor. ------ So if the Crown inn was built on a new site in church St, where was the site of the (demolished) Old White Hart and the (half demolished) Crown? I know it was opposite the Church, but where???
suzard Researcher	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 5/9/2007 12:08:46 AM R&H Feb 12 1966 Heanor Licensing Sessions presenting his annual report for the Ripley and Heanor area Supt Hart said that in the area were 82 fully licensed ale houses of which 79 were tied, three were "free" and two managed. Ten licences were transferred during the year. In addition there were 19 beer houses, all of them tied, and five licences were transferred during the year. Also in the area were 36 beer, etc off licences, 16 of which were "free" and 20 tied. Five had 6 day licences and four were managed. Five licences had transferred during the year. Twenty seven registered clubs existed in the area with a membership of 13,858; 127 premises were licensed for singing and dancing, 7 for billiards and 9 for cinematograph. The justices passed plans of alteration to the gate inn hartshay and granted a publican's licence to the licensee, Mrs Micklethwaite. Also granted was the transfer of a publican's and music licence for the White Lion Inn, marlpool, from Water Shardlow, who died recently, to Harriet Shardlow.
lesley85 This message was updated on 5/9/2007 5:16:17 AM by RMMee	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 1/28/2007 7:08:26 PM Hi Please email leannestainsby85@hotmail.com. That is my daughters email address. Thank you
suzard Researcher This message was updated on 1/25/2007 12:30:31 AM by suzard	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 1/24/2007 1:56:47 PM I would think the labour Club would have records of its founder members. My in laws lived at /kept the labour Club in mid 1960's -it was a relatively new building then, but records must have been kept. Maybe if you wrote to the chairman/committee of the labour Club, they would have access to the records. What year are we looking at? There may be some mention of it in the local newspaper at that time. Did you know Isaiah's nephew was the last landlord of the Arab Inn at langley? lesley, mail me - with your address I can mail you Walker info
lesley85	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 1/23/2007 9:50:09 PM can anyone tell me anything about heanor labour club.aparently my gr grand father isiah walker was a founder member.any truth in it? lesley
suzard Researcher This message was updated on 3/12/2006 12:35:49 AM by suzard	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 3/11/2006 11:18:43 AM Gregory's Restaurant is one that I hadn't heard of before- KELLYS DIRECTORY 1912 shows HENRY W GREGORY-Refreshment Rooms Market Place Heanor. Possibly this was licensed and was Gregory's restaurant. Found this too: R&H 24 Oct 1913 "An application was made for the final transfer of the licence of the dining rooms, Market Place,Heanor, from Henry William Gregory to James Sylvestor Tillson. Superintendant Walker stated that before the licence was transferred he would like one point settling-as to what "solid food" means.In the licence it was included that intoxicating drinks should only be sold when solid food was sold. He found that drink was being supplied with a biscuit, and he wanted the Bench to state what their intentions were in regard to it. The chairman Mr J.J.A.Wooley, on behalf of the Bench, asked the applicant if he thoroughly understood what the granting of the licence would mean. Intoxicating drinks must only be sold with solid food, otherwise he would be liable to lose the licence at the forthcoming Brewers sessions. The applicant asked what about ham sandwiches. The Chairman "Well, that would be solid food" The licence was only granted on this understanding." Found this report(not concerning Gregorys) R&H 17 Feb 1911 "At the annual Brewster sessions at Heanor on Monday before messrs J.J.A.Wooley(chairman) and A.B.Frost,J.K.Fletcher,W.Hardy,H.H.Smith and W.Holmes. Superintendant Daybell submitted his annual report, in which he stated that there were in the district 60 full licenses, 30 Beer Houses, and 30 beer-off licenses, which was one less than last year.Fourteen full licenses had been transferred, against four last year, and four beer houses against five last year, and four beer off licenses against three last year. No convictions against any license holder had been recorded during the year.There had been 115 people convicted for drunkeness against 123 last year,being a decrease of eight.The population of this portion of the division, based on the 1901 census, was 31,220 and for the whole of the division 63,178, but this was much below the estimated population at the present time. The average population per each license was 242.2, for the whole of the division 259.4 and for the whole of the country 271. The convictions for drunkeness per 1000 of the population numbered 5.2.The houses in the division had been fairly well conducted, and he had received no reports against any of them.There were three registered clubs- two at Heanor and one at Codnor Park. The Chairman on behalf of the bench said the report was very satisfactory. They saw the report submitted at Ilkeston showing an increase for the whole of the division, but it was pionted out that this was owing to the elections.The Heanor increase was just a trifle more, but in all other places just a little less They were pleasedto note that no license holders had been convicted, which was a good sign.Superintendant Daybell said the chairman of the Ilkeston branch was quitesatisfied. There were threelicensed houses the people flocked to during the elections. There was a great amount of excitement, perhaps on the part of some to celebrate the victory and perhaps on the part of some to drown their sorrows (laughter). The Chairman said that with the exception of the White Hart and the New Inn Heanor, all the licenses would be renewed; billiard and music licenses would be granted." So in 1911 the only 2 registered clubs in Heanor would be the Conservative and the Liberal Club - which may answer Iceboy's query from Sept 2005???
RMMee Moderator	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 3/11/2006 7:36:55 AM Where was Gregory's Restaurant? An excellent item.
suzard Researcher	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 3/10/2006 11:12:26 PM R&H 8th March 1911 TWO HEANOR LICENSED HOUSES REFERRED FOR COMPENSATION "Objections were made to the removal of the license of the Old White Hart, Heanor, on the grounds that the house is not required to meet the demands of the public. Mr Huish, the magistrate's clerk, stated that a fortnight ago the bench directed him to take such steps as were necessary to notify the owners of the White Hart and also the New Inn that the question of the renewal of their licenses would come on that day, and notices had been served.The facts were precisely the same as when the licenses were objected to on previous occasions. Inspector Stone stated that the population to each licensed house in HeanorUrban District was 259.4.There were 42 licensed houses in the district. The King of Prussia Hotel was only51 yards away, Gregory's Restaurant 132 yards, Rays Arms 429 yards,Red Lion Hotel 380 yards, the Butchers Arms 700 yards,the Queens Head 1000 yards,the Conservative Club 57 yards and the Liberal Club 192 yards. This house, which was a tied one, belonged to Messrs Alton and Co; amalgamated with Strettons. Inspector Stone also gave particulars of the rent and the business done by the house.The houses in this area were excessive and for the general public were not necessary. Mr Charles Walton,secretary to Alton's Brewery,appeared, and asked for the renewal of the license for the house, and said this was the fifth time the house had been before them. If anything the population of the disrict was increasing. The Bench, however, decided to refer the house to the licensing compensation authority. In the meantime the license would be provisionally renewed Objection was also made to the renewal of the license of the New Inn, and Inspector Stone gave similar evidence. Other houses near were as follows:The Jolly Colliers 44 yards, a beer off 64, Nottingham House 132,Nag's Head 172 and Cross Keys 224. Mr Berryman of Nottingham represented Messrs Hutchinson and Co and remarked that there was no necessity to oppose the renewal of the license.The Bench decided to refer the license to the county authority."
RMMee Moderator	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 2/10/2006 12:03:55 AM I notice it was still "Hardy & Co." and not yet Hardy and Hansons.
suzard Researcher	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 2/9/2006 7:57:50 PM R & H 6 Nov 1914 HEANOR PETTY SESSIONS-CHANGE OF NAME OF HEANOR HOTEL Mr F.G.Robinson (solicitor) applied on behalf of Messrs Hardy and Co Kimberley for permission to change the name of the "King of Prussia Hotel" Heanor to that of the Market Hotel. Mr Robinson explained the suggested alternative was made from patriotic motives which the present crisis of the war had brought about. In granting the application the Chairman said "Yes, we very gladly grant it and complement the owners on their wisdom and discretion."
suzard Researcher	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 1/18/2006 12:11:07 PM Only half of the Crown was demolished then!!!!
RMMee Moderator	Heanor Pubs, clubs and beerhouses replied on: 1/17/2006 11:43:27 PM Not only the White Hart of course, but also the Crown Inn (the old one) were demolished for the tramways. Photos can be seen in the Society's publications.

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