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RMMee Moderator	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/24/2005 4:27:00 PM Hmmm.... I'm not sure of the size. If you added all the large industry in Langley Mill, it may well have equalled and passed the numbers employed by Butterley (spread out over more than one community). But its probably close - Butterley was huge!
Russell Saxton	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/24/2005 10:50:29 AM quote: ....surely the fact that Heanor, Eastwood 1. Which other town in Amber Valley EVER employed more workers than Vic Hallam and Aristoc? (... and AVBC doesn't count!!) answers on the back of a two bob stamp please.... What about Butterley engineering?
RMMee Moderator	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/24/2005 12:47:57 AM And you've only mentioned two of the large employers - don't forget the Pottery, and Turners, as well as Pickersgill & Frosts. Langley Mill was, undoubtedly, the industrial core of what is now Amber Valley. But the original point of this thread was that it somehow lacks, and lacked, a specific identity of its own, depsite its importance. I actually reckon that your comment about the phone exchange is more valid than you think - this was a new technology, and Langley Mill, not Heanor or Eastwood, was chosen as the central point of reference in the area. Why? Because it was so important.
lankey bill	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/23/2005 7:40:48 PM ....surely the fact that Heanor, Eastwood, Brinsley, Marlpool, Loscoe, Codnor, Ripley, Hilltop, Langley, Jacksdale etc etc have to SHARE the 01773 LANGLEY MILL telephone exchange code, counts for something?... ....err, OK p'raps not! ;-) Surely we can came up with a few GOOD pointers in history to outweigh our fore-fathers' inability to organise local politics!! i'll start the ball rolling.... 1. Which other town in Amber Valley EVER employed more workers than Vic Hallam and Aristoc? (... and AVBC doesn't count!!) answers on the back of a two bob stamp please....
Leesw	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/5/2005 1:18:53 PM I lived in Ebenezer Street and that was definately Langley Mill. Later I moved to the top of the hill on Dunstead Road opposite George Street and thought of that as Aldercar; so the border appears to be the top of Dunstead Hill, with George St, Thompson Street and Ebenezer Street being in Langley Mill. I have to agree with the comments about the eastern end of Langley Mill becomming very run-down, now most of the shops have shut. It looks like a dose of 60's style "comprehensive development" is called for. W Lees
suzard Researcher	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/2/2005 1:45:49 PM The green gates led to what we always knew as Aldercar Rec. Thinking about it again Upper/Lower Dunstead Road was referred to as Dunstead-you went up Dunstead to Aldercar! I suppose that was the correct name for the place, as that area was originally called Dunstead-with Dunstead House. Bailey Brook drive was considered to be part of Aldercar Estate. I know that now adresses on "Aldercar Estate" are given as Langley Mill-even the ones at the top of the estate. The Charles Napier is in Aldercar-and the old coop shop nearby was referred to as "The Aldercar shop". I was brought up in the belief that Aldercar was more upmarket than Langley Mill, but that Langley Mill folk were better!!!! You believe anything when you are young!!!!!
amee	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/1/2005 11:07:19 PM the green gates were green gates opening (or actually always open) to the recreation grounds from middle Dunstead Road - certainly our way to walk to Greenfields.
RMMee Moderator	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/1/2005 6:15:50 PM What were the Green Gates?
amee	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/1/2005 5:44:01 PM I'm pleased to have gotten a few responses already - thought it might have been only me who had an identity crisis! Good point about the power of the old co-op - I'd thought about that one. And of course in those old religious days, the various churchs were a power base. I remember large gatherings at Aldercar C of E garden parties - and simular events at the Baptist church on Station Road. One of the points I wanted to make was that I'm fairly sure that Heanor sacrificed Langley Mill firstly with the Woodlinken by-pass (that it ran along Cromford Road didn't bother them - they had rid of much through-traffic) and later the new by-pass has condemned the Eastwood end of Langley Mill to becoming a slum. Why noone fought against this I can't imagine. As to where Aldercar begins etc. The old site of Aldercar Infant School, ie intersection of Plumtree with Cromford Road has to be Aldercar somehow. Ebenezer Street and her sisters have to be Langley Mill - I always felt you had to pass through the 'green gates' to get to Aldercar, but what happened around the back ie on the estate I'll leave others to decide - they were all new-comers anyway! Not that it belongs here, but what status do and did Loscoe and Codnor have? I never knew.
RMMee Moderator	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/1/2005 4:53:13 PM I've heard the railway line on Cromford Road being described as the border before, but I'm afraid I've always regarded the Durham Ox and Charles Napier as being in Langley Mill. For me, Aldercar doesn't start till you go round the sharp left hand bend on Cromford Road. And as for Dunstead, if you were to call Lower Dunstead Aldercar, then surely that would make Bailey Brook Drive Aldercar as well, which can't be right. Likewise, what about George Street and Thompson Street. Personally, I would say that you got to Aldercar when you got to the top of Dunstead Hill, but that everything on your right up to and including George Street was still Langley Mill.
suzard Researcher	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/1/2005 10:43:56 AM Langley Mill Town Hall was the Coop Hall-and our council was the Coop -at least the Coop commitee seemed to have more influence on facilities in langley Mill! We always were led to believe the dividing line between Aldercar and Langley Mill was the railway line on Cromford Road which served the Coal Wharf. At the other end -I think Dunstead Rd (Upper and Lower) was considered to be Aldercar until you reached Station Road. Another thing which I always found odd-the council housing estate off Dunstead Road was always referred to as Aldercar Estate, but the council houses on and around Milnhay Road were just referred to as Milnhay-the Estate word was never used. May be that was a throw back to the time when the area around Milnhay Road was an area of Heanor known as Mill Hay?
RMMee Moderator	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 12/1/2005 7:07:26 AM I know what you mean - I have always called it a village, but it never felt like one. But I think if you look around the area, you would find lots of places which have the same issues. At least now it does have a separate Parish Council, but that didn't happen till around the 1980's. Until then, it was part of Heanor Parish for secular issues (though had become its own parish for ecclesiastical issues in the early 1900's). The fact is that local authority reforms were very slow indeed and took no heed of what was happening in reality for a hundred or so years after it had happened. So, locally, you had the situation that Ripley was part of Pentrich parish, or, nationally, you had the situation up until 1832 that Birmingham didn't have an MP. So we are not alone. I think that one of the problems of saying we came from Heanor was that Langley Mill did have an clear identity of its own. We were the most industrialised "village" around - not as large, perhaps, as Heanor when it came to residential population, but as large when it came to the number of people working in the area. I personally have a bigger problem with Aldercar, as I never to this day have really been able to say exactly where Langley Mill ends and Aldercar starts. As Aldercar has no separate identity, either political or ecclesiastical, the only thing you can do is look where Aldercar was before the building of the mid to late 19th century began - I've done that, but am really still none the wiser! That said, I'm proud of the fact that it says Aldercar in my passport for place of birth! I don't have a problem with Stoneyford - that's a hamlet. Yes, its part of the secular Parish (not sure which ecclesiastical parish it belongs to - it used to be with Codnor Park), but is well stand-alone.
amee	What is/was Langley Mill Anyway? replied on: 11/30/2005 11:37:08 PM Nearly everyone I met after leaving Langley Mill lived in real places, ie a town, village or a city. I came from Langley Mill which wasn't, so far as I knew, any of these. We had no power, no town hall or council - the power was in Heanor. Later I lived about as far from the centre of Huddersfield as Langley Mill is from Heanor, in a place with a seperate name but it was okay to just say Huddersfield. Not so with Langley Mill, we were fiercly proud of not being Heanor - I suppose it was some kind of anarchistic tendency - clinging to our non-existance?! Did Langley Mill miss its chance when it had as strong an economic punch as Heanor to gain its independence? Did Langley Mill suffer as a result of being some kind of annex? What did they care about us in Heanor with out Notts postal address? And to complicate it further there was Aldercar (and Stoneyford) as well!

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