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porkpiebaby	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/23/2006 8:55:08 AM Hi Jenny, Thank you for all that info...I'm afraid I'm not quite that far back with my Clarkes, my earliest born is around 1801. I'm sure they must link into someone somewhere along the line! My earliest is John Clarke born circa 1801 who maried Hannah Slack. Mandy
Jennypeg Researcher	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/16/2006 9:48:46 AM Hi, Ripley was part of Pentrich, non-conformist could have gone to Duffield or Pentrich or else where! Codnor and Loscoe were part of Heanor Parish until Codnor (St James Church) opened 1844 first marriage:30th Dec 1844,Samuel Granger full age widower miner of Codnor father James Granger miner, Emma Rhodes full age spinster no occupation of Codnor father Samuel Rhodes miner wit by Isabella Bryan. And Loscoe was part of Codnor until 1927 (St Lukes church built 1938) some of these maybe your's Ripley and Pentrich Non-Conformist Register Baptisms 1753-1805 1769 John s John Clarke of Codnor in the Parish of Heanor, born Jan 5th Bapt Jan 31st. 1769 Hannah d Thomas Clark of Codnor, born Feb 5th Bapt Feb 19th. 1770 Elizabeth d John Clark of Codnor, born Feb 2nd Bapt Feb 19th. 1770 Elizabeth d Thomas Clark of Codnor, born Nov 8th Bapt Nov 13th. 1772 Thomas s Thomas Clark of Codnor, born Nov 17th Bapt Nov 22nd. 1773 John s John Clark of Codnor born May 7th Bapt May 12th. 1776 William s John Clark of Codnor born Jun 21st Bapt Jul 15th. 1776 James s Thomas Clark of Codnor born Sep 27th Bapt 20th Oct. 1779 Henry s Thomas Clark of Codnor born April 25th Bapt May 2nd. 1779 Hannah d John Clark of Codnor born Jul 22nd Bapt Aug 12th. 1779 Nancy d Betty Clark of Codnor born Sep 16th Bapt Sep 20th 1781 Ruth d Thomas Clark of Codnor born 16th Oct Bapt Nov 11th. 1788 William d Thomas Clark of Codnor, Collier born Mar 27th Bapt Apr 19th. 1791 Susanah d Thomas Clark of Codnor, Collier born Feb 8th no Bapt. Jenny P.S. also some Slack'!
porkpiebaby	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/15/2006 11:18:39 PM Thanks so much for the updates Loomis! I could throw my PC out at time stoo! Thanks so much for all your help. Mandy
loomis	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/15/2006 11:14:29 PM porkpiebaby, Clarification of William and Sarah Pepperdays' birthdates. William was born in 1827,in Pentrich, Sarah in 1831. William Pepperday had a tragic life, being widowed before he was 21. he had his first child, Thomas, with Sarah Wright. He then married Sarah Bullock with whom he had further children. For more information on William, read the 'Childrens Employment Commission 1842 (Mines)',a report by J M Fellowes in the employment of children an youmg persons in the mines. The author is Winstanley, and the book can be found in any library. (The local studies section if you live in Derbyshire). It really makes harrowing reading. William started in the pit at nine years old, working from 3 a.m. to 3.p.m. for which he was paid half a day. We don't know we're born !
loomis	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/15/2006 7:15:52 PM Another slip of the keys, Porkpiebaby, I'm a certain candidate for re-training ! Mary Birkumshire's birthdate was 1733 not 1773. I know teenage pregnancy is rife these days, but giving birth at five ?..... Bring back the quill pen, these computer things will never take off. Incidentally, Ellen and Gervase were married at Heanor Parish Church 10th April 1803.
loomis	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/15/2006 6:59:56 PM Sorry about the slip over Susannah Skerritt's birthdate, it was due to a surfeit of Pepperdays ! She was of course born August 9th 1804 at Alfreton, not 1824. I do not have documentation for Diana's birth, but the information I obtained from another relative shows her being born in March 1835, and christened at Pentrich on April 14th 1844 along with her siblings Ann and Sarah. Georgiana's birth is given as 1835 at Codnor, but with no other details. Possibly circa 1835 would have been more honest, but you may find out more from the records. Unfortunately, due to time constraints I have been unable to go any further with research or I would have given you a more precise b.m.d. record. Hope I have been of help though.
porkpiebaby	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/14/2006 10:24:23 AM Jenny, Thank you for your help with marriages (as always!) I think the first marriaeg you mention is definitely a fit. The second two (Thomas Abbott and Ruth Smedley and Thomas Mitchell and Charlotte Abbott) did you have a thought on where they may fit in or were you just following possible surname links? I think it was the latter, but just to make sure as I can't find anywhere for them to fit! Thanks
porkpiebaby	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/14/2006 10:16:56 AM If Joseph Pepparday b 1803 married Susanna Skerritt b 1824, she was extremely young since their first child was born in 1831! Perhaps she was born earlier? I understand there was a lot of rounding in those days! Obviously William and Sarah their children were victims of rounding, as they cannot possibly be twins born in different places! But what about Georgiana and Diana? Both born 1835. The whole family certainly moved around a lot! I think I've now managed to piece all of that information together. Now for the search to source it all!
porkpiebaby	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/14/2006 9:46:51 AM Loomis, I've now got time to marry the info I have with my tree, and if it's ok I'll ask you a few questions along the way! You've been a star! Joseph Slack b. 1730 and Mary Bircumshire b 1773 parents of Ellen Slack b 1778... Surely Mary must have been born before then since Ellen was born in 1778? Thanks
loomis	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/11/2006 7:25:26 PM Porkpiebaby, I will try to fill in a few ancestral details for you. Have a wide sheet of paper handy ! Ellen (Eleanor) Slack b.1778 was the daughter of Joseph Slack b. Heanor 1730 and Mary Birkumshire b. Heanor 1773. Ellen married Gervase Pepperday b. Hathern 1774. Gervase's father was William Pepperday b.- 1755, he married Elizabeth George b.Long Whatton 1744. Elizabeth's parents were Thomas George b.Long Whatton 1711 and Mary - b. Long Whatton c.1715. Ellen's illegitimate daughter, Hannah, you already have details of. Gervase and Ellens kids were :- Joseph b. Normanton (on Soar?)1803, Elizabeth b. Heanor 1804, Diana b. 1808 Pentrich, Samuel b. 1812 Selston, Mary. b.1815 Codnor, and James b. 1818 Codnor. Joseph married Susanna Skerritt b. 1824 Alfreton. Their kids were :- William b. 1831 Swanwick, Sarah b.1831 Pentrich, Thomas b.1833 Codnor, Georgiana b.1835 Codnor, Diana b.1835 Codnor, Ann b.c1836 Codnor, Ellen b.1843 Belper, Walter b.1846 Codnor. Elizabeth married Thomas Abbott. Their kids were Thomas b. c.1840 and Jarvis. Diana - no details. Samuel married Charlotte Rigley b.Cottingham, Northants 1812. Their kids were :- Jarvais b. 1838 Heanor, Thomas b. 1842 Heanor, Jemima b. 1846 Heanor, and Gillian b. 1850 Heanor. Mary (my g.g.grandmother) married William Morley b. 1813 Ilkeston. Their kids were :- George Morley b.1837, Thomas Morley b.1840, Samuel Pepperday Morley b.1842, William Morley b.1845, Joseph Morley b.1848, Charlotte Morley b.1850, Gervase Morley b.1850, and Abraham Morley (my g.grandfather) b.1852, all at Codnor. James married Avis Clark b. Codnor 1823. Their kids were :- Ellen b.1850 Codnor, Georgiana b.1853 Codnor, and Hannah b.1859 Codnor. Note how the christian names recur. Gervase Pepperday had two siblings, Thomas b. 1776 Heanor, and Mary b.1780 Hathern. Both were registered with their surname spelt Peberdy. Thomas married Ruth Mellor b. Heanor 1777. Their grandson Edward, b. Ruddington 1837 was registered under the surname Peabody, and his family retain that surname to this day. I have a complete record of this lineage. Pepperdays, Peberdays and Peabodys are all of the same stock, but at that time most were illiterate and surname registrations were recorded as pronounced. Hope this fills in a few gaps.
Jennypeg Researcher	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/11/2006 7:21:44 AM Codnor Church 22nd April 1865 Thomas Abbott 24 bachelor collier of Codnor father Thomas Abbott collier of Codnor Emma Riley 24 spinster no occupation of Codnor father Samuel Riley Banksman wit Samuel Riley Harriet Riley. 28th Dec 1858 Thomas Abbott 26 bachelor Engineer of Christ Church Blackfiars, Surrey father William Abbott Engineer. Ruth Smedley 23yrs spinster no occupation of Codnor father William Smedley miner wit by W Abbott and S Smedley. 12th Aug 1856 Thomas Mitchell 26 bachelor F.W.K. of Hathern father James Mitchell F.W.K. Charlotte Abbott 31 spinster no occupation of Codnor father Thomas Abbott collier wit by Sarah Mitchell & Jane Brunt.
porkpiebaby	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/10/2006 9:37:48 PM To all who helped...firstly, it seems that Gervase Pepparday born 1774 was my friend's 5x great grandad, so we are definitely related! I need to run by you what I understand of all the information you have shared with me.Please bear with me for being so slow, I just had to make a pictorial family tree for myself to see what I understand and what I don't! Sorry it's a long one. Please forgive me if I get it wrong or aske the same questions again, and please forgive me if you read this on two different sites! Ok here we go... Gervase Pepparday (b1774) married Ellen Slack in 1804. Firstly, Ellen Slack has an illegitimate child, Hannah Slack (b1801) who married John Clarke (m 1801) in 1822. Their children were Ann, James, John, Thomas and William. (This William is the same William found in the house of Thomas and Georgiana Pepperday in 1861) Secondly, once married, Gervase Pepparday (b1774) and Ellen Slack have children Elizabeth (b1804) Thomas (b1807) and Joseph (b1803). I'm sure there are other children but can't get my head round the rest of them...can someone please confirm using surnames and dates of birth so I know which they are?! Elizabeth Pepparday(b1804) marries Thomas Abbott (b1802) and they have (I think, please put me straight if I'm wrong!) two children, Gervis Abbott (b1835) and Thomas Abbott (b1840). This Thomas Abbott is the child who is brought up by the aforementioned Hannah (illegitimate daughter of Ellen Slack)and John Clarke. Joseph Pepparday (b1803) has two children, Thomas Pepparday (b1833) and Georgiana (b1835) who are the owners of the house where William Clarke, Thomas Abbott and Gervis Abbot are residing in 1861. Thomas and Georgiana are in fact siblings, which is contrary to some information I've received so far, which suggests they may be married! Therefore, the Abbott children Gervis and Thomas, the Pepparday children Thomas and Georgiana and The Clarke children Anne, James, John, Thomas and william are all cousins together. (NOT nephews as stated in one piece of information) I do know there have been other people mentioned, and other scenarios. Jenny...you mentioned that Thomas Abbott was in fact the son of a Matthew Abbott as documented in the marriage details. Does anyone know where Matthew Abbott fits into this lot?? I can't find where he goes as I have Thomas as the son of Thomas and Elizabeth as earlier mentioned. Gardener...you quote a census from 1851 where Thomas Abbott is married to rebecca with a whole array of children... do we understand this is Thomas Abbott, the remarried father of Gervis and Thomas with his new family? Thank you all so much for helping me to piece all this together...can you put me straight if I'm miles off? Thank you!
loomis	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/10/2006 11:23:00 AM Pleased I could be of assistance Porkpiebaby. The outcome of all this is that Thomas & Jarvis Abbott, William Clarke & his siblings, and Thomas & Georgiana Pepperday were cousins. If Thomas Abbott and William Clarke were staying with the Pepperdays on census night, they would be described as nephews, which was their relationship to the head of the household, Joseph Pepperday and his wife. By the way, F.W.K stands for Framework Knitter, a common occupation among the Pepperdays who originated from Barrowden in Rutland, but moved to Hathern in Leicestershire (where Gervase was born), and in the early part of the 19th century, due to the agricultural crisis, more of them moved to the Heanor area to find work in the mines.
porkpiebaby	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/9/2006 11:14:52 PM Loomis.... That is the missing link in all of this! Sorry guys that i haven't been able to respond sooner...your help is much appreciated. Hannah Slack born c. 1801 married John Clarke also born c. 1801 on 25th March 1822. I haven't got much on Hannah, but here's info on John: 1841 aged 40 living in Codnor a stocking maker 1851 aged (54?) a framework knitter living at Bullock Yard, Codnor Noted as a FWK (farmworker?) at his son James' marriage in 1852. Their children were Ann, James, John, Thomas and William. I'm going to have to spend a bit of time piecing the Pepperday/Abbot story to this, but almost certainly this is the link I was hoping for...linking it all into the Clarkes. It also gives me Ellen Slack, who is effectively my 4x great grandmother! Thank you so much! Strangely, I know at least two other people who have Pepperdays in their families...and I'm certain that Gervaise is one of them! It means I'm related to my oldest friend!
loomis	Abbott/Slack/Clarke replied on: 10/9/2006 7:53:28 PM Just a thought Porkpiebaby, but when Gervase Pepperday married Ellen Slack in 1804 she already had an illegitimate daughter called Hannah, born 1801. If this were the same Hannah Slack who married Mr Clarke, then it would tie up the complete Abbott/Slack/Clarke/Pepperday relationship. Do you have details of their marriage ?

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