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Patrisia
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/26/2007 12:32:05 PM I was glad to have been of help; it made me get on and do it! I could find nothing more on Francis (1763), so as I suggested, it probably needs some searching through the PRs. Let me know if you want any of the extra bits of data or the census images. |
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mdunscombe
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/24/2007 11:30:13 AM Thanks for all the info, it's been fantastic. on http://www.smalley-ops.dsl.pipex.com/flint/index.html there isn't any descendents for Francis Flint (1763). So it is quite possible that Francis Flint (1779) is related here some how as I have 1781 as his year of birth. Will have to investigate further. Cheers! Michelle |
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Patrisia
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/20/2007 2:40:48 PM Well, I have to admit defeat in linking Francis Flint, of Smalley, to the West Hallam Flint line. The Flint line is now on http://www.smalley-ops.dsl.pipex.com/flint/index.html I have used the Kerry pedigree, Phillimore's marriages, census data, and the IGI. The latter, of course, should be viewed with caution but could be seen as a starting point. CK does not have a Francis in the right time period; the only Francis I could find was born abt 1763, which is too early for the Smalley Francis; there could perhaps have been a later son of the same name? Given that Francis gives his birthplace as West Hallam abt 1779, I think it could be reasonably safe to assume that he was part of the West Hallam line; particularly with the recurrence of so many similar names. BTW, there might have been two Roberts born to Francis and Mary; though given the Heanor Robert's inability to remember where or when he was born, they are probably one and the same - perhaps he was even the son of Francis and Martha, born abt 1803! Hitting the West Hallam/Kirk Hallam PRs, particularly the burials, seems to be the next step, for anyone determined to find the connection! I hope this has been of use; there are still some 'surplus' Flints that I have not been able to definitely fit in, including a William born in Staffs abt 1836 but living in West Hallam in 1861. |
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Patrisia
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/16/2007 2:09:11 PM A clue for Francis Flint and Mary or Martha. I can't find a baptism for him but there are 2 marriages in Phillimore. Francis Flint = Martha Shaw 26 May 1803 at Kirk Hallam Francis Hallam, w(idower) = Mary Mee 21 June 1813 at Kirk Hallam |
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Patrisia
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/16/2007 10:44:12 AM I have been away for a few days, so have only just caught up with this thead. By now you will have most of the Flints of Smalley information but if you need more, try my website for the PRs. I also have a copy of Rev. Kerry's pedigree for 'Flint of West Hallam 1902' but I haven't yet transcribed it. He takes it back to Samuel Flint of Long Eaton in the mid 1700s; I have had another quick look but he doesn't seem to link them to your branch. I will get started on it and see if I can make the connection. It might take a day or two but I will upload it on to my website, and let you know when it is there. |
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Patrisia
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/16/2007 9:45:25 AM >> It seems Robert and Sarah were married mar qtr 1856 Belper District -which Smalley would come under. need to look up Smalley baptisms and marriages >> Yes they were married in Smalley - http://www.smalley-ops.dsl.pipex.com/marriages1842-1860.html |
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suzard
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/16/2007 3:03:58 AM Back to the Flints. The children of Robert and Sarah I think Francis and Frank are the same person ( many francis'are known as Frank) There is another child Mary Ann Flint b.c.1855 p.o.b. Smalley or West hallam derbyd. Noticed Robert usually gives his p.o.b. as Smalley, but on occasions as West Hallam. They are villages which are not far apart. 1861 Robert gives his age as 24, 1871 as 38, 1881 as 48, 1891 as 56. This may be a possibility for Robert in 1841 (bearing in mind the 1841 census rounds adults ages down to nearest 5 years) 1841 living in Smalley Francis Flint 60 Coal Miner Mary 50, Reuben 20, Matilda 20, Robert 10. 1851 Robert age 19 is a farm labourer at Lodge farm in Shipley (near to Mapperley village and West hallam) also in 1851 living in Smalley is Francis Flint 72 Coal miner b. West hallam , Mary wife 60 b. West Hallam, Martha daughter 30 b. Mapperley. 1861 living in Smalley is Robert age 24 b West hallam, wife sarah 24 b. Ilkeston (She may have been Sarah Smith) , daughter Mary Ann 5 b. Smalley, son William 3 b.Smalley, son Francis age 2 wks b. Smalley. It seems Robert had a sister called Jemima 1871 mary Ann 15 is a domestic servant with her Aunt and Uncle, Joseph and Jemima(49)Fox. Jemima Flint married Joseph Fox in 1856. 1841 Jemima was a F. Servant in Duffield 1851 jemima was a Houseservant in Matlock. 1861 Robert and Sarah had a lodger mary Flint widow age 60 Seamstress b. West hallam -could this be Robert's mother? 1871 Robert and sarah are living at Tag Hill heanor with children William 12, Francis 10, Harriett 5, Thomas 21 1881 at Nook End heanor 1891 Stillat Nook End It seems Robert and Sarah were married mar qtr 1856 Belper District -which Smalley would come under. need to look up Smalley baptisms and marriages |
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suzard
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/16/2007 12:25:30 AM Well done, Roger, knew you would have information. PaulR has some posted very interesting information -it seems both chapels were of the primitive methodist movement -but the name of the Gladstone Street one was changed at some time to Cenrtal Methodist -we can only assume it was because it was centrally placed between the prims and the Weslyan methodists (now Heanor Haulage)....unless there is someone out there who knows more????? Michelle -will get back to your Flint enquiry. |
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RMMee
Moderator This message was updated on 2/15/2007 10:55:16 PM by RMMee |
Flint Family
replied on: 2/15/2007 10:52:44 PM Having checked with Roger, he can only assume that the map is wrong. The Central Methodists were at the bottom of Gladstone Street. When the chapel closed, the congegration joined the Wesleyans. The chapel at the bottom of Argyle Street was the Free Methodists, otherwise known as the Prims. Of the two chapels, this was the first to close. |
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suzard
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/15/2007 7:53:10 PM Robert -the stone name built into the house which I thought was Dunn House, actually states Dunn Terrace 1876- which figures, as although on Cromford Rd it would be the first house of the terrace-which was /is on Bridge St, but set further back than the bridge St Houses. |
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RMMee
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/15/2007 2:52:01 PM Don't worry, I'm seeing him tonight and will be asking! |
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suzard
Researcher This message was updated on 2/15/2007 11:03:50 AM by suzard |
Flint Family
replied on: 2/15/2007 9:45:37 AM Maybe they changed the names - the Chapel (lighting shop) bottom of Gladstone St was known as the Central methodist from (at least) 1940's)and the chapel at the bottom of Argyle St was known as "The Prims" from (at least) 1920's - but then you know what Langley Mill folk are like for giving nicknames to places!!!--the latter had closed by abt 1950 and for a few years was inhabited by a tramp -it was demolished early 60's and a new building erected for Kettering Tyres. There is a topic Central methodist on Churches/Chapels section -its the chapel you attended for a while, Robert!!! Robert, ask Roger Hull - I'm sure he will know! |
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RMMee
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/15/2007 8:50:08 AM quote: Sue Having checked the 1901 OS Map, the Primitives were at the Chapel at the bottom of Gladstone Street (now the lighting shop), while the chapel at the bottom of Argyle Street was the United Methodists. The Foundation Stones at the Gladstone Street Chapel date from 1886. |
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suzard
Researcher This message was updated on 2/14/2007 11:51:58 PM by suzard |
Flint Family
replied on: 2/14/2007 11:28:27 PM PaulRs Grandfather wasn't born until 1874 -so wonder if it was his great grandfather who was a founder member of the central Methodist? Dunn Terrace and Hunts stable kind of connects. The house/shop on Cromford Road which Dunn terrace is at the back of is called Dunn House-keep trying to remember to note the date every time I pass. There were stable like buildings at the back in the 60's where Billy Phillips used to breed German Shepherds. The Hunt family lived at the bottom of Bridge Street and Dunn terrace at one time and some of their sons became farmers and horsekeepers -they married into the Dunn family who lived on Woodlinkin!! So there is a Hunt/Dunn connection. Wonder if "Than" Hunt was an abbreviation of nathaniel Hunt-as Nathanial Hunt lived at the bottom of Bridge St -he married his brother Roberts widow (her burial record reads "wife of Robert, but died with nathaniel!"All I have to do now is find if they were Methodists!! Good info Robert and Jenny P.s. for PaulR -hope you don't mind am starting a topic on Towle for you -then we won't get muddled with the Flints. |
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Jennypeg
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Flint Family
replied on: 2/14/2007 10:22:09 PM 1876 Ripley Advertiser Laying of Memorial Stone – on Tuesday 5th September 1876 the memorial stone of a school and mission room belonging to the United Methodist Free Churches was laid at Langley Mill by G. R. Turner Esq. (part of the report) Jenny |
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