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| GageAgainstTheMachine Poltical Mod  Quote | Reply | | Shining Path posted on: 5/12/2003 8:30:08 PM Shining Path aka Sendero Luminoso of Peru... what exactly do they stand for? I've been looking but haven't found anything to conclusive. What is the method behind their madness? |
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Dark_Soul
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replied on: 5/13/2003 12:35:37 AM ....I reallly don't know what they were supposed to be standing for. But, I do remember that at the begining of the 90's, they savotage the social programs from the goverment,... because, a pacific solution to the people problems is better for everybody, but for the people in a "revolutionary" group that is just trying to get politic power. |
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BlackenedSoul
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replied on: 5/13/2003 2:29:35 AM Aren't they just another kind of terrorist? Or does that fall under one of those classy quotes where it depends on which side you're standing behind; "One man's terrorist, is another's freedom fighter." Some links to check out, very interesting facts and info: CLICK HERE CLICK HERE TOO AND HERE HERE HERE |
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SpiralOut
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replied on: 5/13/2003 3:21:11 PM They are Peru's Communist Party. So, I guess they are a terrorist organization, since they are trying to overthrow the government. |
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Randomly_insane
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replied on: 5/18/2003 2:40:37 AM hey thanks darkened soul i'd never even heard of them |
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NRaGE
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replied on: 5/19/2003 3:54:00 AM Here's something extra that may be some interest to anyone: But then I specifically ask Morello, over lunch one day in a Los Angeles Chinese restaurant, who his heroes are today. For starters, he mentions the EZLN. "And in Peru theres a revolutionary struggle as well, which is also.... "Youre referring to the Shining Path?" I ask. Or, as these millennarian extremists are known in their native Peru and on Morellos guitar, Sendero Luminoso. "Yeah." "You feel no qualms about identifying yourself with the Shining Path? Pretty murderous people. Its not uncommon that the U.S. press will take a group which is so threatening to its interests and demonize them, vilify them", Morello begins. "You see it happen every day. To use a Chomsky quote,The greatest acts of international terrorism are planned in Washington.... "Cmon", I respond, "a lot of reports - not just from right-wing media - indicate that those people in villages are told that if they want to eat, if they want to not be shot, they better do what they are told by Shining Path people." "I think you should take those [reports] with a grain of salt", counters Morello. "Consider the source. And Im not disputing the fact that in liberation struggles theres often an enormous amount of violence. The centuries of deprivation and brutality that have been heaped upon people sometimes has a boomerang effect. Theres been insanely genocidal U.S.-paid-for behavior on the part of the Peruvian government. When the mostly indigenous rural poor finally stand up for themselves and take up arms against their oppressors, suddenly Uncle Sam starts whining terrorist! terrorist! terrorist! " The restaurant was getting dark, the fortune cookies had arrived. The late-afternoon quiet just made the strangeness of what was being said even stranger. The truth about the Shining Path wont fit on a guitar. They are lead not by indigenous people but by light-skinned Maoist urban intellectuals. They in no way resemble your average liberation movement. "We reject and condemn human rights because they are bourgeois rights, reactionary, counterrevolutionary, their leader Abimael Guzman has decreed, and hes backed it up, too. Sojourners magazine has called them "one of the most brutal and violent movements in the world today". "The Shining Path, for its part, frequently murders civilian noncombatants, including engineers, priests,teachers, peasants and journalists, The Nation has reported. Leftists who agree on nothing else acknowledge the atrocities of the Shining Path. A few weeks later, at a photo shoot, Morello urges me to check out a BBC documentary that will change my understanding of whats happening in Peru. Taken from SPIN mag: October 1996 Rage Against the Machine "The World's Most Dangerous Band" by RJ Smith. And oh,thanks v. much for the links BlackenedSoul! Those are helpful. |
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Dark_Soul
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replied on: 5/19/2003 11:48:26 PM Anyway, Sendero Luminoso is truly a terrorist group! This is not a thing about points of view or missuse of words. ....I really think that Morello should be more clear about him supporting their ideas or the violence SL creates. |
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SpiralOut
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replied on: 5/20/2003 1:04:40 AM Everything is a 'thing of point of view' There will always be someone who thinks that the force they use will be 'valid'. Take Tom Morello for one, he seems to agree with their ideals, whereas you obviously dont. Thats a pretty good example of differing points of view. |
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Nuisance
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replied on: 5/20/2003 8:32:30 AM It is an interesting duality in beliefs and what people see as acceptable in one instance but not in another. In one instance you have a group that is known to have accidently killed innocent civilians to free others, on the other hand you have a group who have deliberately killed innocent civilians called the "Shining Path". Ofcourse the first group I am refering to is the US army/administration and the war on Iraq. For doing such a thing the US administration is castigated and critisised by Tom, even when the killings are not deliberate. On the other hand deliberate killings by the Shining Path are seen not only as acceptable by Tom but he seems to support them and the actions they take. I guess Tom would claim if the oppressed Iraqi people had risen up against Saddam and performed such attrocities as the shinning path have performed that it would be 'acceptable' as they were fighting for there own freedom. To me it seems a very strange contridiction in beliefs he has. Out, Nuisance |
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NRaGE
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replied on: 5/20/2003 11:34:14 AM Contradictory, I know. You think that includes the way he calls himself a Socialist when he's 'fashioning' Communism w/ his headgears? Or not...? But I read an article that says sometimes Socialists don't always advocate Socialism & same goes to Communists. |
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SpiralOut
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replied on: 5/20/2003 2:31:19 PM His hats are all sarcastic, he has lots of them ranging from "Commie" to "Loser", "Geek" etc. I don't think you should take his headwear as an example of his beliefs |
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Randomly_insane
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replied on: 5/21/2003 7:29:44 AM for all we know though he could be making some sort of a staetment thats just gone wayyyy over our heads...... perhaps? |
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NRaGE
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replied on: 5/21/2003 10:55:41 AM Yeah, it could be that. Or perhaps Spiral's right too. I don't mean to attack Tom's beliefs. I'm just curious. There're a lot of things I want to know abt him..and I don't think it's easy to figure this genius out. :p |
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anger_rising
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replied on: 6/10/2003 5:46:50 PM who says the people that the Shining Path kill are innocent? |
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Dark_Soul
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replied on: 6/10/2003 8:41:45 PM ....well, who says that they're guilty?? and guilty of what?? For example, if you live in a village and you don't show up for the meetings is really probable that you're going to get killed (if they get to find you). So, I was they were found guilty of "not showing up for the ideologic speach". Another example, if they come up and put a bomb on USA or Japan embassy, then yeah maybe they get to kill a politician that had something to do with them, but they also blown up a few dozens of people that were just working for living. |
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TBONE
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replied on: 10/1/2003 2:21:30 AM It must be made known that Marxist Socialists/Communists (the same thing) are advocates of moral relativism. In their case, what is good is "good for the masses" and what is bad is the opposite. Therefore if Sendero Luminoso is fighting for the good of the Peruvians, then no result of their actions is considered "bad" in the view of COmmunists. I am not accusing Tom of going along with this, but i am not sure where he stands politically. There are more than 1 kind of Uber-Leftist, you know. 
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