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| J-Roc[LoC] Quote | Reply | | GNs posted on: 6/30/2003 10:12:22 AM i see their use varied. some top guys are packing a huge amount to give an enormous OP advantage that few cna defend against. te spuds have bee nrazing/rebuilding. some players keep a modest amount. Tim, the sheet's been telling me smithies are teh way to go all round so far. id never touch a GT b/c of my efficient levi, but of course GN holds som promise for the kraken. still, like i said, smithy always comes out on top in the effic calc. my OP is mediocre i guess, nowhere near the top, but enuff to hit 70%. are GNs a whole round thing, or a short term boost that will come back to hurt you later? im pretty lost on whether i should start splitting smithy-GN, or stay heavy smithy until the time comes for facts much later. talk to me tim! |
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Thorsghost
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replied on: 6/30/2003 3:15:31 PM im aiming for 25% gn's to give me a big boost. aiming for 20% shrines to save on lost troop costs as lizardmen are expensive but mite change them to gt's that'll give any would be attacker a nice surprise! |
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Tim_Myth
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replied on: 7/1/2003 11:00:48 AM Those big spuds have a very low draft rate, and at low draft rates, there isn't a whole lot of difference between smiths and GNs. They are using them to pole vault ahead of everyone, and so long as they stay ahead of everyone, it's going to work great for them. If they fall behind, they would have been better off building smithies. If you're up among them, do like the Romans do and build Gns. If, like me, you aren't anywhere near them, stick with what is efficient so you can catch up late round. |
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J-Roc[LoC]
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replied on: 7/1/2003 3:50:57 PM tim, did you say that right when you said they had a "low" draft rate? ive heard they're *very* low on peasants. im sitting on 3k acres atm which is close to up there, but as im playing a "late round" race im hesitant to go for speed. |
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Tim_Myth
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replied on: 7/2/2003 11:56:05 AM Not having ops on them, and no way to get ops on them, I assumed they would have a low draft rate. I may have spoken to hastily.  I'm not even sure what the top op is. I had assumed it was somewhere around 130k. I'm also assuming that those spuds have at least 5% bonuses in their castle. Looking at JB with about 4000 acres, all built into employable buildings, thats a base pop of 60k. Modified (2% tech, 10% race, 5% castle) thats 70.2k. Now, if the top op is 130k, and hes got a defensive bonus of 20% (5% race, 10% spell, 5% castle), he needs 27k Ghosts for defense. That leaves him 43k peasants. If he has the top op, and an offensive bonus of 65% (40% GNs and 5% castle), he'd have 19.7k spectres. That still leaves him 23.5 peasants. Give him a SPA and WPA of .75, and he still has 19k peasants. So, his draft rate can't be much higher than 75%. That's high for lots of races, but stil short of what SPUDs usually have to run late round. I'm also figuring that he's smart enough to run at least a few homes or barracks, since they would be an enormous help.
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J-Roc[LoC]
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replied on: 7/2/2003 2:08:46 PM oh ok. when you said low i jsut thought like under 50% and i was like wtf! |
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Tim_Myth
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replied on: 7/2/2003 3:28:59 PM Well, that's kind of what I was thinking too, but I'm thinking...wait, no...I'm pretty sure my head was not where the sun was shinning.
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jonnyb
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replied on: 7/2/2003 10:08:57 PM You cant say: "Those big spuds have Gn or smithies" They have both!!!! They destroy, rezone and build new 50% of their land. 2-3 times until now, thats why they have the troops AND the offence! Some other big players doing so too. Amazing strat, damn i didnt had that idea! 
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Tim_Myth
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replied on: 7/7/2003 2:50:19 PM I just saw ops on one guy who was rebuilding something like 50% of his land. I find it hard to beleive that that's efficient or economical. |
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Traex
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replied on: 7/8/2003 12:13:54 AM ph34r the r/r (raze/rebuild) strat :p |
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Tim_Myth
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replied on: 7/8/2003 11:03:45 AM I'm fearing it! I'm also thinking I need a better mathematical model for it...If only I had 5 extra hours a day. 
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Tim_Myth
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replied on: 7/9/2003 11:36:29 AM I've been thinking about the R/R strat, and it is really just a variation of converting from explorer to attacker. The few examples I've seen involve stockpiling huge sums of money and other resources, so it would be helpful to have a high SPA which suggests that this strat would favor halfers and lizzies. |
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Thorsghost
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replied on: 7/9/2003 5:04:15 PM I might have to try that then! |
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