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Message: Emoticon Listing HTML Help	[quote](Edited for brevity. This was a long post!) I'm not quite understanding your initial parameters. I'll try to duplicate your results though. [b]Assumptions:[/b] <li>Round 17 rules</li> <li>1000 acres</li> <li>40 DPA</li> <li>30 OPA</li> <li>1 SPA and WPA</li> <li>base castle bonuses of 5, 10, and 15% where appropriate</li> [b]Icekin Build with 20% Smithies[/b] [b]Barracks:[/b]34.83% [b]Farms:[/b]5.96% [b]Smithies:[/b]20% [b]Ore Mines:[/b]27.21% [b]Lumberyards:[/b]4% [b]Towers:[/b]6% [b]Dock:[/b]2% [b]Results[/b] [b]Military:[/b]13930 [b]Peasants:[/b]10754 [b]Total Pop:[/b]24684 [b]Draft Rate:[/b]56% [b]Employment:[/b]121.21% [b]Income:[/b]34843 [b]Icekin Build with 20% Alchemies[/b] [b]Barracks:[/b]34.83% [b]Farms:[/b]5.96% [b]Alchemies:[/b]20% [b]Ore Mines:[/b]27.21% [b]Lumberyards:[/b]4% [b]Towers:[/b]6% [b]Dock:[/b]2% [b]Results[/b] [b]Military:[/b]13930 [b]Peasants:[/b]10754 [b]Total Pop:[/b]24684 [b]Draft Rate:[/b]56% [b]Employment:[/b]121.21% [b]Income:[/b]44443 [b]Icekin Build with 20% Masonries[/b] [b]Barracks:[/b]33.98% [b]Farms:[/b]5.62% [b]Masonries:[/b]20% [b]Ore Mines:[/b]28.4% [b]Lumberyards:[/b]4% [b]Towers:[/b]6% [b]Dock:[/b]2% [b]Results[/b] [b]Military:[/b]13591 [b]Peasants:[/b]11488 [b]Total Pop:[/b]25079 [b]Draft Rate:[/b]54% [b]Employment:[/b]114.94% [b]Income:[/b]38152 In this case alchemies have a slight edge over smithies. If we increase the DPA and OPA to 60 and 45 respectively, the draft rates go to 71%, 71%, and 69%. This makes the incomes go to 26455, 36055, and 29348. This means alchemies have an even greater advantage. Now we'll look at Lycanthropes under the similar assumptions. ([/i]Note: To get a better efficiency, Lycs should build a small percentage of homes so they have more employable peasants. That will cause these build strats to vary more widely than the Icekin builds.[/i]) [b]Lycanthrope Build with 20% Smithies[/b] [b]Homes:[/b]3.5% [b]Barracks:[/b]37.4% [b]Farms:[/b]11.72% [b]Smithies:[/b]20% [b]Ore Mines:[/b]6.75% [b]Diamond Mines:[/b]9.64% [b]Lumberyards:[/b]4% [b]Towers:[/b]5% [b]Dock:[/b]2% [b]Results[/b] [b]Military:[/b]14958 [b]Peasants:[/b]11403 [b]Total Pop:[/b]26361 [b]Draft Rate:[/b]57% [b]Employment:[/b]103.67% [b]Income:[/b]40025 [b]Lycanthrope Build with 20% Alchemies[/b] [b]Homes:[/b]3.5% [b]Barracks:[/b]37.4% [b]Farms:[/b]11.72% [b]Alchemies:[/b]20% [b]Ore Mines:[/b]8.75% [b]Diamond Mines:[/b]7.64% [b]Lumberyards:[/b]4% [b]Towers:[/b]5% [b]Dock:[/b]2% [b]Results[/b] [b]Military:[/b]14958 [b]Peasants:[/b]11403 [b]Total Pop:[/b]26361 [b]Draft Rate:[/b]57% [b]Employment:[/b]103.67% [b]Income:[/b]50425 [b]Lycanthrope Build with 20% Masonries[/b] [b]Homes:[/b]2% [b]Barracks:[/b]36.51% [b]Farms:[/b]10.98% [b]Masonries:[/b]20% [b]Ore Mines:[/b]7.75% [b]Diamond Mines:[/b]11.75% [b]Lumberyards:[/b]4% [b]Towers:[/b]5% [b]Dock:[/b]2% [b]Results[/b] [b]Military:[/b]14605 [b]Peasants:[/b]11886 [b]Total Pop:[/b]26491 [b]Draft Rate:[/b]55% [b]Employment:[/b]103.46% [b]Income:[/b]42683 Again, alchemies have a slight edge over smithies. When the DPA and OPA are changed to 60 and 45 the number of smithies, alchemies, and masonries must be lowered to around 5% so you can have enough diamond mines to maintain your improvements. Even so, alchemies still edge out smithies and masonries, so it look like you're right. For races that have a good plat bonus, alchemies make the most sense. [/quote]
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This message was updated on 5/30/2003 4:55:18 PM by Tim_Myth

heyhey TimMyth
replied on: 5/30/2003 11:52:50 AM

(Edited for brevity. This was a long post!)
I'm not quite understanding your initial parameters. I'll try to duplicate your results though.

Assumptions:

Round 17 rules

1000 acres

40 DPA

30 OPA

1 SPA and WPA

base castle bonuses of 5, 10, and 15% where appropriate

Icekin Build with 20% Smithies
Barracks:34.83%
Farms:5.96%
Smithies:20%
Ore Mines:27.21%
Lumberyards:4%
Towers:6%
Dock:2%

Results
Military:13930
Peasants:10754
Total Pop:24684
Draft Rate:56%
Employment:121.21%
Income:34843

Icekin Build with 20% Alchemies
Barracks:34.83%
Farms:5.96%
Alchemies:20%
Ore Mines:27.21%
Lumberyards:4%
Towers:6%
Dock:2%

Results
Military:13930
Peasants:10754
Total Pop:24684
Draft Rate:56%
Employment:121.21%
Income:44443

Icekin Build with 20% Masonries
Barracks:33.98%
Farms:5.62%
Masonries:20%
Ore Mines:28.4%
Lumberyards:4%
Towers:6%
Dock:2%

Results
Military:13591
Peasants:11488
Total Pop:25079
Draft Rate:54%
Employment:114.94%
Income:38152

In this case alchemies have a slight edge over smithies. If we increase the DPA and OPA to 60 and 45 respectively, the draft rates go to 71%, 71%, and 69%. This makes the incomes go to 26455, 36055, and 29348. This means alchemies have an even greater advantage. Now we'll look at Lycanthropes under the similar assumptions. (Note: To get a better efficiency, Lycs should build a small percentage of homes so they have more employable peasants. That will cause these build strats to vary more widely than the Icekin builds.)

Lycanthrope Build with 20% Smithies
Homes:3.5%
Barracks:37.4%
Farms:11.72%
Smithies:20%
Ore Mines:6.75%
Diamond Mines:9.64%
Lumberyards:4%
Towers:5%
Dock:2%

Results
Military:14958
Peasants:11403
Total Pop:26361
Draft Rate:57%
Employment:103.67%
Income:40025

Lycanthrope Build with 20% Alchemies
Homes:3.5%
Barracks:37.4%
Farms:11.72%
Alchemies:20%
Ore Mines:8.75%
Diamond Mines:7.64%
Lumberyards:4%
Towers:5%
Dock:2%

Results
Military:14958
Peasants:11403
Total Pop:26361
Draft Rate:57%
Employment:103.67%
Income:50425

Lycanthrope Build with 20% Masonries
Homes:2%
Barracks:36.51%
Farms:10.98%
Masonries:20%
Ore Mines:7.75%
Diamond Mines:11.75%
Lumberyards:4%
Towers:5%
Dock:2%

Results
Military:14605
Peasants:11886
Total Pop:26491
Draft Rate:55%
Employment:103.46%
Income:42683

Again, alchemies have a slight edge over smithies. When the DPA and OPA are changed to 60 and 45 the number of smithies, alchemies, and masonries must be lowered to around 5% so you can have enough diamond mines to maintain your improvements. Even so, alchemies still edge out smithies and masonries, so it look like you're right. For races that have a good plat bonus, alchemies make the most sense.

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