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H.J. This message was updated on 1/4/2006 6:53:58 PM by H.J.	Who is Mitton? replied on: 1/4/2006 6:52:10 PM quote: quote: So that's it? he's just some blues singer? Can't say I'm impressed now. He's also a member of the (pseudo-)scientific community. He is a pretty geometrical guitar player though. m8e should say why though or his comments are just cruel and insensitive. Why do you keep trying to talk personally to the others? I see you've got a new mate to parrot you.Play the blues chaz....
Russ-L Rank: Jasper	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/4/2006 9:21:29 PM Should I feel the need to point out that a parrot's meaningless repetition of identicle sentiments is not the way to defend Mitton in these threads, or am I just being paranoid?
Boffin This message was updated on 1/5/2006 12:50:01 AM by Boffin	An absolutely brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/5/2006 12:49:00 AM I'm still waiting for intelligible statements regarding the systems suggested in the Mitton threads that it is claimed are analogous to the work of my former colleague, Ilya Prigogine. My time is too valuable to waste listening to half-witted regurgitations of the same kind of atavistic and moronic outbursts that have manifested themselves at various points in the other Mitton threads.
m8e Rank: Ozzy	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/5/2006 1:28:28 AM OK then, what else would you call the assemblage of a non-rational worldview unanswerable to either predictive empiricism or mathematical consistency, if not pseudo-science? Religion?
m8e Rank: Ozzy	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/5/2006 10:19:04 AM quote: OK then, what else would you call the assemblage of a non-rational worldview unanswerable to either predictive empiricism or mathematical consistency, if not pseudo-science? Religion? Put another way, what I'm asking is how can the Mitton threads be consisdered scientific when they haven't given rise to a single repeatable experiment or consistent set of equations? Until such time as they do, they'll just remain at the level of entertaining analogy.
Russ-L Rank: Jasper	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/5/2006 3:29:25 PM I think this would probably be as good a juncture as any for one of y'all to summarise Mittonian theory, for the newcomers (like Brummie Expat), the half-interested but weary already (like me), and the simple (again, like me).
Boffin	An absolutely brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/5/2006 4:53:51 PM quote: I think this would probably be as good a juncture as any for one of y'all to summarise Mittonian theory, for the newcomers (like Brummie Expat), the half-interested but weary already (like me), and the simple (again, like me). Mittonian theory ,as you put it, would appear to be about informational organization in a strangely self-reflexive way. The distinguished British biologist John Maynard Smith defined progress in evolution as an increase in information transmitted from one generation to another.Perhaps this is the next step. The key to evolution up to now has been heredity: the way information is stored, transmitted and translated. Evolution of life as we know it relies on information transmission. And information transmission depends on replication of structures. Cutting edge theorists believe that evolution was somewhat accelerated, and changed in character, by and because of dramatic changes in the nature of biological replicators, or in the way information is transmitted by biological replicators. New kinds of coding methods made possible new kinds of organisms. Today, replication is achieved via genes, that utilize the genetic code. The authors argue that this is only the latest step in a story that started with the earliest, rudimentary replicators, the first genes. The first major breakthrough in evolution, the first major change in the technique of replication, was the appearance of chromosomes: when one gene is replicated, all are. A second major change came with the transition from the solitary work of RNA to the dual cooperation of DNA and proteins: it meant the shift from a unitary source of replication to a division of labour. Metabolism was born out of that division of labour and was facilitated by the chemical phenomenon of autocatalysis. Autocatalysis allows for self-maintenance, growth and reproduction. Growth is autocatalysis. Early, monocellular organisms (prokaryotes) evolved into multicellular organisms (eukaryotes). The new mechanism that arose was gene regulation: the code didn't simply specify instructions to build the organism, but also how cells contributed to the organism. Mitochondria play a significant role in this. Asexual cloning was eventually was made obsolete by sex, and sex again changed the rules of the game by shuffling the genetic information before transmitting it. Protists split into animals, plants, fungi, that have different information-transmission techniques. Individuals formed colonies, that developed other means of transmitting information, namely "culture; and finally socail behavior led to language, and language is a form of information transmission itself. Each of these steps "invented" a new way of coding, storing and transmitting information. Mitton is claiming to be 'the strange attractor' of diverse images and information in a kind of dreamlike acausal logic through synchronicity. As yet we may be able to make rough diagrams of the geometries involved but it appears to have no precedent. Sorry to have to speak in plenoastic phraseology, Russ but I hope that goes some of the way to helping you understand the 'great beast ' that we are grappling with!.
Russ-L Rank: Jasper	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/5/2006 6:16:45 PM Most helpful. The thought occurs that this thread might be best off left as a primer to Mitton, while another one gets down to the serious business. Four questions seem to loom large to the layman, anyway: 1) Is this purely a one-way process? When you say 'strange attractor,' do you literally mean that the information is attracted purely to Mitton, or is he a conduit for it? Are Mitton's Independant Traders (first three letters, I'm sure you can think of another three) an import/export business? 2) Is any of this information genuinely being coded, stored and transmitted? To what extent can events occurring and subsequently being identified (seemingly fairly arbitrarily, from what I've read, but we'll leave that one alone for the time being) as belonging to patterns said to actually achieve any of these things? 3) The 'obsolescence' of any information transmission only occurs when it ceased to be the most expedient way to do so (asexual reproction is most certainly not 'obsolete' for a lot of organisms, obviously). What, then, are the common features of the information at play here (is this where the number 23 comes in?)? Why does this seem to be an effective way for it to mobilise? 4) Isn't acknowledging the a-causality of it all a bit of a cop-out, similar to the way that a religious man might fall back on 'God works in mysterious ways' for anything he can't explain?
Derradah Rank: Toyah This message was updated on 1/6/2006 8:21:30 AM by Derradah	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/6/2006 8:20:35 AM quote: Most helpful. The thought occurs that this thread might be best off left as a primer to Mitton, while another one gets down to the serious business. Four questions seem to loom large to the layman, anyway All good questions, Russ, but we can't trouble Boffin with too many questions since he's taking time out to have a closer look at the Mitton threads with a view to presenting a report to a scientific think-tank. Suffice to say though that your posting would inevitably trigger a synchromesh. First of all, how old are you, Russ. I'd say about 23 if not a young 24. Well you may have noticed that your posting was the 23rd on this thread. While you were doing it I was browsing through my library of popular scientific texts when I came upon the following in James Gleick's book 'Faster': "... Thus Windows 98 could be marketed as a time-saving technology. ' I saw Bill Gates demonstrate faster boot-up, application loading, and shutdown,' reported John Dodge of 'PC Week'.'I got excited.If I recoup just thirteen minutes a week, I've won back 23.5 days over fifty years of PC use'." (p.133) When I turned to Stephen Jay Gould's ' Questioning the Millenium' I came to the fact that: "Ussher ( Archbishop James Ussher,said to have published the greatest of all Christian chronologies)set the moment of creation at a day that would live in both infamy and memory - 4004 B. C.(at noon on October 23rd)." (p.89) Further to that though Gleick in his book talks of: "The centenniel is an odd creature nonetheless. It is self-referential. hermeneutic, an excuse for parties, a 'pseudo-event' in the sense of Daniel Boorstin - an occasion that exists only for the sake of publicity." (p.258) This then becomes a synchromesh of a set of challenges to the 'strange attractor' as they have recently appeared on this thread. We witness the binary opposite of the 'pseudo- event' as perjorative phenomenon.
Gravy Hole Rank: Oddie	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/6/2006 11:38:00 AM I may have missed summat during the acausality of my glacier/hat/diarrhoea interface, but I'm still at a loss as to know who this Boffin is. If we're to be the subject of scientific review, and whilst it might ultimately be a rewarding experience, I think we at least have the right to know who will be examining us under the metaphysical microscope and sucking us up his post-modern pipette. I'm not looking forward to the bunsen burner bit though.
Russ-L Rank: Jasper	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/6/2006 7:57:40 PM quote: I may have missed summat during the acausality of my glacier/hat/diarrhoea interface, but I'm still at a loss as to know who this Boffin is. If we're to be the subject of scientific review, and whilst it might ultimately be a rewarding experience, I think we at least have the right to know who will be examining us under the metaphysical microscope and sucking us up his post-modern pipette. I'm not looking forward to the bunsen burner bit though. It seems a safe bet that he's one of what we might term The Mitton Massive. Derradah - all very well and good, and thank you for your response, but please don't try to blow my mind with specifics when I'm struggling to get a hold on the broader philosophy. It'll only lead to confusion (I am quite simple, as I mentioned before). The previous questions stand. 23.5 days, by the way? That's quite a large margin of error, is it not? Would 22.5 have been a similar example of synchronicity?
Ariel HS	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/6/2006 8:08:30 PM Indeed Gravy. Boffin firstly tells us that we are rats in his experiment and he was been sent to observe us. Then when we do not behave as he wishes he accususes us of wasting his time and money then pokes us with a stick. Dead cats and boxes?
m8e Rank: Ozzy This message was updated on 1/7/2006 12:40:38 AM by m8e	An absolutely brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/7/2006 12:33:55 AM quote: I'm still waiting for intelligible statements regarding the systems suggested in the Mitton threads that it is claimed are analogous to the work of my former colleague, Ilya Prigogine. I suppose you know then that Prigogine died in - wait for it - 2003.
Derradah Rank: Toyah This message was updated on 1/8/2006 9:02:31 PM by Derradah	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/8/2006 8:48:02 PM quote: OK then, what else would you call the assemblage of a non-rational worldview unanswerable to either predictive empiricism or mathematical consistency, if not pseudo-science? Religion? "Dr. David Bohm argues that the best way of understanding the non-local connection in modern physics - Herbert's 'cosmic glue' - is to regard both Mind and Universe as holograms. In a hologram, any part contains the information of the whole, as any page of _Finnegans Wake_, fully analyzed, seems to contain the information of the whole - 'the park is gracer than the whole' - Philip K. Dick writes in VALIS: '... Hermes Trismegistos... said "that which is above is that which is below." By this he meant to tell us that our universe is a hologram, but he lacked the term.' - VALIS means Vast Active Living Information System, or Joyce's - 'The task above are as the flasks below, saith the emerald canticle of Hermes, ' FW, 263, - note the backward (Alice through the looking glass) initials of the dreamer, Humphrey Chimpden Earwicker - Joyces's enthusiasm for Giordano Bruno began in adolescense and lasted his lifetime, and if you read Frances Yates's Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition and Frances Boldereff's Hermes to his son Thoth: Joyce's Use of Giordano Bruno in _Finnegans Wake_, you will see that Bruno was also trying to tell us our universe is a hologram, and Joyce understood him that way." - _Coincidance_ by Robert Anton Wilson Remember the Ketamine Kreeps and Giordano Bruno and Peter Whitehead's referral to the holographic paradigm in 'The Risen'. And then there is the 'jiffy bag' mentioned in a letter. Matey was blind to the fact that the jiffy bag is an important motif in 'Downriver'. It would be quite possible that apposite texts arrive at roughly the same time or that Whitehead's scientific alter ego should encounter a missing 'John' through a computer screen.I'm afraid that the necessary texts have to be actually READ.
m8e Rank: Ozzy	An absolutly brand new Mitton thread replied on: 1/9/2006 1:34:49 PM Oh no, not that ridiculous jiffy bag nonsense again! I'd thought the letter Sinclair wrote to me concerning the matter had put an end to it way back in 1996! Quote - "Jiffy bags arrive here, Charlie might like to know, at the rate of 7 to 12 a week. Some contain tapes, some photocopies, some books. Many are sent by Whitehead. If Charlie wants to get any deeper into that madness, he should apply directly to the man himself. As for the bet, you've won it. But, I guess, you'll never prove that. What use is my word? It could all be part of the conspiracy. Time for Charlie to reinvent himself. As understudy for another author, a less demented series of texts." - Iain Sinclair BTW, I'm sorry if at times it seems I'm being overly negative and dismissive, but I'd prefer to think of myself as performing some kind of quality control function. Ultimately there's some very interesting stuff buried within these Mitton threads, and the world - or mine at least - would be just that little bit duller without them.
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