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Derradah
Rank: Toyah This message was updated on 1/9/2007 11:05:16 AM by Derradah |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/8/2007 9:57:57 AM quote: A hard job we have had in our time is getting our heads round the findings of cosmologists. One vexed question is that of curved space. Robert Osserman in his preface ti 'The Poetry of the Universe' (1995) is the paradox concerning the fact that we are presented with ' a view outward in all directions from the earth and inwards in all directions towards the big bang'. He at the end of the book finishes up with another paradox concerning the measurement of the snowflake and the Koch curve. Without going into the mathematics, it would seem that fractals lead us to the Mandelbrot principle which points to the idea that in the very folds and contours within the brain a quantitive study is 'beyond standard geometry'. Coveney and Highfield go on to suggest that the quest for the ultimate buiding blocks of matter and final theories may be a futile one. They argue that strange attractors blow apart time-symmetric determinism because they can explore unending series of points due to fractal properties. Another related phenomenon is that of chaos. It contains an infinite series of possibilities albeit confined to a finite region and can trace out patterns. Dissipated chaos is 'born in the nested world of the strange attractor'. C. and H. go on to stress the sensitivity to initial conditions, only with knowledge of infinite accuracy of the starting conditions in an experimental study of such a chaotic system could a cast iron prediction be made.'But the slightest uncertainty - which will always be the case in the real world - denies this since no matter how small the imprecision, it will be amplified exponentially as time passes'. For Osserman " geometers continue to make new geometries, each a fascinating world of its own, inhabited by previously unsuspected species, where even newer notions of space and time take on new meaning" (P.168).... In the meantime we may picture the product of thousands of years of geometric inventiveness in the form of a tree - the Geometree - whose roots go back even further and whose branches represent the outcome of centuries of discovery and creation." Meanwhile Penrose opens us up to the idea that final theories must incorporate a new view of time and it involves something like a quantum gravity involving the mind. Mathematical physicists such as Frank Close acknowledge asymmetry as a fact of evolution but expect to find, like Steven Weinberg, that ultimate true symmetry will be restored with the aid of multi-million dollar super colliders. According to Close they expect to find the elusive 'Higgs' boson which appears at only stupendously high energy levels. The ultimate aim is to unite all the forces of nature since the theories of relativity and quantum theory dont fit.Meanwhile our long lived 'kaon' objectively demonstrates the arrow of time. Thus, according to Penrose, crucially our theories are not yet ready to provide answers as to why time seems to flow in one direction rather than the other. Our own subjective world linked so intimately as it is to entropy is acutely sensitive to this. So here may enter or own 'geometree'. Our own tree emerges as our textual constuctions grow and it may relate crucially to the 'mystery traditions' of which we have spoken. Could it be said that, by adding our significant dualisms to our 'tree' we throw in the unexpected presence of a living strange attractor. We appear to have demonstrated that time flows backwards and forwards through our points of reference, our coincidences as they grow outwards and vindicate themselves through amplification. Is it this type of geometry that the compasses, symbols of Freemasonry' have thrown a veil over and which Sinclair is perpetually hinting at in WCST. Hinton is said to have a book called 'The Origins of Tree Worship' (p.122) I suggest 'the Tree of Life' of the Kabbalistic tradition. And then there are mysterious refences to 'ADAM KADMON' (the primordial being of aforesaid tradition). The Kabbalistic tradition according to Gooch links to to the others and ultimately he suggests to Egyptian creation myths i.e. the geometry of none other than THOTH.... |
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Gravy Hole
Rank: Oddie |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/8/2007 1:02:27 PM quote: Having been in the Midlands last week, I found myself in Shropshire and of course paid a visit to The Mitton Arms. I think I was attracted, though not very strangely, by the prospect of a pint of Holdens. As I think I mentioned earlier, The Mitton has just been refurbished - the pub that is, not the po-mo prophesier who no doubt is equally in need of a little titivation around the edges. Anyway, I say refurbished but they actually deconstructed the outer fabric of the building and also removed the ghastly plaster boarding inside to reveal the ancient wooden structure. The over-boarding was installed when the building was "modernised" in the sixties; that idiot Barry Bucknall has a lot to answer for. As you've all no doubt guessed, the builders found a small bricked-up alcove with an even smaller secret door, which strangely enough leads absolutely nowhere other than the wall behind. In short, it appears totally useless but I've told them not to open it unless they want the responsibility for black hole. I mean, they don't even have a licence for music and dancing let alone one for cosmology. Strange too that Hinton should be mentioned. A quick look at the OS map reveals the very close proximity to The Mitton of a tiny village called Hinton. |
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Derradah
Rank: Toyah |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/8/2007 1:38:52 PM quote: The Hinton connection is certainly one to put in the bag and I suggest the Triad goes on a 'fact-finding mission' to the pub. Your mysterious door does however recall the sealed vaults of Rosslyn Abbey, the 15thC family seat of the St.Clair family said by some to contain the secrets of the Holy Grail.Brian Hinton not James or Howard Hinton lives on the Isle of Wight at Dimbola where he oversees a Tennyson heritage place. He was once a student in B'ham and is also a 'rock archivist'. All this I've learnt in my research into the Mitton project |
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Derradah
Rank: Toyah This message was updated on 1/9/2007 10:55:01 AM by Derradah |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/8/2007 1:39:59 PM quote: We're certainly synchromeshing everyone now. We're on page 22 so something must happen soon so that we soon can resolve things into a smooth curvature of everything. |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy This message was updated on 1/9/2007 3:35:06 PM by m8e |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/8/2007 6:08:46 PM quote: Ah yes, dear old Doc Hinton, who famously appears in the Sinclair/Petit film, The Cardinal and the Corpse, awaiting the arrival of Martin Stone at London City Airport, clutching his entire vinyl back-catalogue and enthusing about how his improvisations make Eric Clapton sound "boring and provincial." He also appears in unflatteringly mutated form in Sinclair's novel "Radon Daughters." I seem to recall Charlie telling me that he'd spoken to him on the phone a few times, and found him to be something of a hyper-enthusiastic compulsive natterer (not that there's anything wrong in that, of course). Anyway, on the subject of cosmology, I see from today's Independant that a 3-D map of the distrbution of Dark Matter in the universe has just been produced. This was done using the Hubble Space Telescope, but who knows what cosmological discoveries might lie behind that mysterious little (not a l'age) Door in the Wall at the Mitton Arms? There are things which are known and things which are unknown, and between them are the Doors. |
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H.J.
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Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/9/2007 8:06:53 AM Im konvinced. You say this tree worship thing was on p.122. Then last night ater reading about it at 22 00 there was a programme on bbc2 about a guy into TREE WORSHIP - A shamen. Were now on P.22. I think Ill join your K foundation> |
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Derradah
Rank: Toyah This message was updated on 1/9/2007 10:50:43 AM by Derradah |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/9/2007 10:48:48 AM quote: The K Foundation is in fact an art project involving Bill Drummond who wrote a book called 'Bad Wisdom'. I have a copy and decided to consult it. On page 3 he says that the 'Conspiracy number 23 creeps in'. It is described on the back cover by Stewart Home ( another of our intriguants) as a future underground classic'. He calls it a 'novel but it appears to be an account of life on the road with a bunch of freaks. Whatever the 23 connection is well and truly made. The book describes how Drummond and some collaborators are off to the North Pole with a sacred picture of Elvis. They check in at airline desk 23. Later on they tell us that they combat the long ennui of a particular journey with alcohol and pornography - Junior Gash 23. The recognition of the 23 is obviously meant to be meaningful. The aquaintanceship with Bill Burroughs work is obvious. Drummond has also worked with Iain Sinclair. Our countertext grows.The following is some information I gleaned from the internet: In the early hours of the 23 August 1994, in a boathouse on Jura, off the west coast of Scotland, the trustees of the K Foundation, Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty burned the assets of the foundation - 1 million pounds in 50 pound notes. The money was the result of Drummond and Cauty's enormously successful ventures in pop music, first as the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu (the JAMs), then as the Timelords, and latterly as one of the most successful bands of the late 1980s and early 1990s, the KLF. After disbanding the KLF in 1992 Drummond and Cauty set up the K Foundation. Their best-known foray into the art world was the presentation of 40,000 to Rachel Whiteread for the worst body of art of 1993. Whiteread had been awarded the 20,000 Turner prize a few days earlier. The burning of the 1 million was filmed and a year later Drummond and Cauty returned to Jura to show the people of the island the film and to inaugurate a series of screenings and discussions - all in an attempt to understand just what the K Foundation had done. Was it art? What was the morality of the burning? Was it a publicity stunt? |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy This message was updated on 1/10/2007 6:11:27 AM by m8e |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/9/2007 3:49:45 PM The dead sheep konnection. In 1992, when the KLF (whose profits were used to finance the K Foundation) were awarded Best British Group at the Brit Awards, they infamously dumped a dead sheep outside the aftershow party, which of course recalls the incident when Charlie dumped a dead sheep on the bar at the old Windsor in retaliation for being baaaarred. Slightly appropriate, then, that Sinclair names the character based on Charlie in Landor's Tower: "Bad News Mutton." |
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Derradah
Rank: Toyah |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/10/2007 10:21:43 AM quote: The K Foundation - exactly. Perhaps we should join. How morphically resonant our own project is with Mark Manning/Bill Drummond's book 'Bad Wisdom'. We could call our own its contrary,'Good Wisdom' and therefore demonstrate the accuracy of its bad sense. When I came to pick up and read 'Bad Wisdom' I realized how many of our geometric points criss-crossed so that we could add another branch to our tree. I had been considering this idea of a 'geome-tree' when it came into my head that there was another book on my shelf that I hadn't consulted and that was Sir James Frazer's ' The Golden Bough ( a big influence on T.S. Eliot). There is indeed much in it on tree worship and its relics but not much on the Kabbalistic 'Tree of Life' (or Adam Kadmon). Stan Gooch however does tell us in ' Cities of Dreams' how sacrifice is an important concept as regards the latter and the idea of a human one at that. By coincidence, it emergves that on p. 186 of 'Bad Wisdom' M. and D. tell of the story of 'The Killing of the Divine King' (as from Frazer) and parallels deaths in rock'n' roll. Charlie says he had to think of the murder of Brian Jones both physically and mentally which produced the Stones most creative period. This links to Sinclair in 'Suicide Bridge' who did a poem called 'Bad Magic Bad Noise' where he says that 'in breaking with traditional ties one sets free in man unknown forces, the consequences of which we cannot foresee'. The piece starts on p.222. We can add it to our branch or shoot which also includes Brian Jones premieres in Brum, Mitochondria, Nicholas Lane, National Assistance Blues and Linda Jones. It is possible that we see the a posteriori influence of Sinclair in 'Bad Wisdom'. There is a paricularly grisly section where Bill Drummond fantasizes on the idea that he is Bill the Ripper. There is mention of the evil of Whitechapel but more tellingly Hawksmoor churches in Spitalfields. There is a reflection on Blake v. Wordsworth and also mention of William S. Burroughs. It suggests by implication that good and evil are comparable forces. It corresponds with our own project remarkably but without the depth of research. We could surmise that it was strongly influenced by WCST.Drummond is quite cleary a Sinclair satellite and attached to the London Mob. Then most tellingly we have referenceces to '23'.K + 23.no less: " A foul night in a foul city. Mary Jane Kelly, Scabby Mary as she was commonly known, had a rendezvous at 2:30 a.m. at her squalid little flat." (P.169) " In Heaven God commoissioned Gustav Klimt to be our war artist. 23.50 Helsinki" (P.239) " Harnessing the powers of the complete contents of the last bottle of Blue Label vodka, his newly purchased hard core porn and the 23 sarellite channels available" (P. 263). " The 23rd miniature Pentangle (vodka) hits the spot. I dream of the Baby Satan inside us all, an innocent little fellow. A Blakean chum...(P.265). and finally: ".....and all tbe 23s were just shoved in for the junior members of the Numerology Club. (P.266) Our page numbers seem to speak their own conspiracy. Elsewhere in the book there are references to Aleister Crowley, post-modernism and rock 'n' roll. Where does this meet leave us? It must be that this is yet another universe created. A synergetic London?B'ham duel. The London Mob make all these veiled assertions and situationist pranks but at the end of the day does it do any good? Drummond and Home can be as obscene as they like but the monolith of liberal social democracy does not bat an eyelid. Only the fusion of our own text does the magic explode into synergy and vindicate any arcane propositions. Where they have hinted at lines of force and dark notions, we have the ever- expanding synchromesh of hard geometry. Like the paradox produce by modern cosmology the ACOPs seem to be homing in on the Mittonian Strange Attractor while expanding outwards in what seems all directions.The initial conditions of the universes created remain uncertain. |
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Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/10/2007 11:42:22 AM This is now becoming very interesting. It's as though there is an actual force which draws in these acausal connecting phenomena. The 'strange attractor' actually exists in physics in the exploration of chaos. Everyone's heard of the butterfly/tornado effect but if you had a tornado you would not necessarily be able to identify a butterfly as being the cause or anticipate a tornado if you find a butterfly. These events have the feeling of some intelligent force creating a very jokey experiment out of chaos.We could just as easily from a different point of view think of it as a calculated performance. I think it would be a good idea to look at the various participants in this 'freakshow' and try to demonstrate how, when they seem to doubt or disrespect the force a bizarre coincidence or set of coincidences take place. It is a phenomenon undisputably but any Cartesian 'radical doubter' must have to admit that the laws of probability must suggest that something more than 'mere' coincidence is at work. M8e's right that David Bohm's ideas about implicate/explicate universes might be a way in as is Prigoine's discoveries of bifurcatory behaviour in non-linear dissipative systems. When H.J. read about an obscure thing like 'tree worship' and then it appears in a T.V. programme and then it becomes relevant to 'The Golden Bough' which then happens to appear in 'Bad Wisdom' who just happens to be involved in something called the K Foundation which just happens to be what was being discussed. And then he just happens to be interested in 23 conspiracies after we'd just by coincidence been reading about another conspiracy theorist who again just happened to be on the T.V. at 23.00 hrs., the same time strangely enough as a programme on Conan Doyle who happened to be involved tangentially with Whitechapel and is a figure in Sinclair's theories which seem to correspond to everything that is happening.Now we are trying to make sense of phenomena which are being drawn to our own text which seem to act out what has been implied by the 'White Chappell' text It seems that a universe is creating itself out of the chaos of random events. Again it seems to home in on the attractor but not being created by it. It's like a Creator has chosen one of God knows how many possible attactors to demonstrate paradigms which had been theorized about but were beyond practical experiment. The results however reveal power and validity only in the process which reminds us of Prigogine's book - 'From Being to Becoming'. |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/10/2007 2:20:17 PM quote: Yes, but did you know, Boffin that according to Penrose'in order to produce a universe like the one in which we live, the Creator would have to aim for an absurdly tiny volume of the phase space of possible universes of the order of: One in 10 to the 10 to the 123. So that's what we're playing with, eh. Big coincidence, what. |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 1/12/2007 9:55:42 AM by Barriminge |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/11/2007 10:57:37 AM quote:quote: This figure which the Creator would have had to have aimed for intrigued me because it seemed so incredible and it contained the 23. I had to link it with our previous reference to Coveney and Highfield's mention of an amount of gas containing a number of molecules of the order of 10 followed by 23 zeros. Obviously I don't understand the equations but the acausal link seems to work. I was impressed by a futher statement from Penrose: " This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in the ordinary denary notation. It would be one followed by 10 to the power 123 successive 0s. Even if we were to write down 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe - and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure - we should fall short of writing down the figure needed."(P.445) I had in the day been reading 'Bad Wisdom' and came across a reference to 'Chthulu My...' and had to re-read.I had read a C and an M in Penrose earlier. It's all by chance about chance: For general n, m the chance is 100n (up in the air)Cm divided by Cm =(10n)!(n-m)!/n!(10n-m)! (p.404) Particularly unfathomable but it was in a discussion of entropy and that is why we are here! P.404 had reminded me of P.406 of Peter Whitehead's 'The Risen' where he mentions the Dogons, a tribe in Africa(also mentioned by Stan Gooch), and linked to 'god as dog' (as Whitehead notes) but also the process of cosmo-genesis: "You perceived in a flash the full immense ecstatic unfolding of ONE not into TWO but THREE, the wholeness of the multi-octohedrally expanding spherical universe" (P.406) Whitehead is of course our ally in all this against the London Mob. Furthermore on p.202 of Robert Anton Wilson's 'Coincidance' we read : " GOD spelled backwards is DOG" Which takes us back to Sinclair asking in 'Downriver' on the very first page, ' what is the opposite of a dog'. STRANGE. Meanwhile I decided to research more into Bill Drummond and the 23 Enigma and realized that he is up to the oxters in it. He was involved in a show in Liverpool (he designed the seats) where Wilson's references to the '23' Enigma from Burroughs are played with. It was a bout 'The Iluminatus Trilogy'.It had a cast of 23. It's also relevant to remember that Drummond and Cauty said that they would not talk of their money burning for 23 years. We have to set up opposition to this and say 'so what'. Zodiac Mindwarps and situationist pranks all put together with obscene pseudo novels that link him to the equally offensive Stewart Home. This pressed me into another look at 'Coincidance'. I took the book off my shelf and opened it quite by chance at page 203 which concludes a section on weird cults. Certain of these, we are told, follow Wilson's own interest in the IlluminatusT. My ruminations, as if by help from the FORCE, were being responded to.. There was a refence to Chthulu and Chthuluists, Knights of the Five-Sided Castles and Crowley's 666. All things that we ourselves have left hanging in the air. 'Chthulu' is a reference to some monster in a H.P. Lovecraft novel. Charlie has never read a science fiction novel in his life (m8e's job).Plenty of 19thC perhaps but no Zodiac Mindwarps.These facts just happened acausally. However, back to the point, Mitton's Mojo was really working since on p.203 of 'Coincidance we read: "Novelist Robert Heinlein, who helped to start all this with the Martian religion in 'Stranger in a Strange Land' (Strange Attractor Land), has even provided a rationale to show that all these metatheologies can be equally true in a more recent novel 'The Number of the Beast' (of course Crowley's 666). In this mathematical fantasy, Heinlein posits a 6-dimensional space-time continuum in which 6 to the power of 6 to the power of 6 parallel universes co-exist. That is a mightily large number..." This, he goes on leads us to the conclusion that 'every mind creates his own universe...' Which leads us back to the 10 to the power power of 10 to the power of how many 23s needed to find to find that bit of phase space where exists our own explicate universe in which the Mittonian ACOP manufacturer expodes back. |
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H.J.
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Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/11/2007 2:04:37 PM quote: Ive known Chaz for 40years and sometimes play harmonica with him.Hes had these postmodernist blues for a long time tho. I think its when he got into this psychogeometry or whatever it is.These things fit together tho and i did read that the universe was formed because of one hell of a lot of coincidences and the aim of this forum seems to put them all together and show that the blues is where its at. Brian Jones was the golden boy of Jimmy Reed blues shuffle and was the sacrifice. Ive seen him mentioned and as for the Stones their Lucifer days started after Brian.Did you ever see them in the Godard Film One plus One? Thats about opposites and things. wot a performance!! |
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H.J.
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Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/11/2007 2:21:36 PM I just found the following on the net.But nobody can put a universe of coincidence like this one we have. Freemasons are mentioned: "The address of the Freemasons lodge in Stafford, England is 23 Jaol Rd. In New York it is on 23rd street. Henry Price is buried in the cemetery of Townsend, Massachusetts. His monument is an obelisk that measures 69" tall (69 / 3 = 23). On the side of the monument facing west it says:Henry Price "Founder of Duly Constituted Masonry in America." On the east face it says:Born in London about 1697, removed to Boston about 1723, appointed Provincial Grand Master of New England in 1733. The monument is carved on 2 faces, made of 3 pieces - base, block, and cap stone. The Templars had only 23 Grandmasters. Jacques de Molay was the 23rd and last of the Templar Grandmasters. "Jacques de Molay, thou art unhinged!" October 13 (10+13=23) is the month and day that the Knight Templars were arrested in France... hence Friday the 13th being considered a day of bad luck. Amazing how it all starts to fit together, isn't it? " |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy |
Hint(on)s and glimmers and possible implications
replied on: 1/11/2007 6:33:57 PM quote: Also Charlie's birthday is December 23rd, his new girlfriend's is January 23rd, and I've just remembered that my mom's is March 23rd. |
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