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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 3/9/2006 12:09:03 AM by Barriminge |
Synchronicity or Not
replied on: 3/9/2006 12:07:26 AM "Maybe Lemmy feels some affinity with Adolf due to them both being speed-freaks. As Sadie Plant reveals in her book "Writing on Drugs" (in which I have a walk-on part), at one time Hitler was injecting himself with methamphetamine eight times a day - excessive even by Lemmy's standards. Also those black SS uniforms were very rock 'n' roll, weren't they? As Woody Allen once said, what woman has ever fantasized about being ravaged by a man dressed as a liberal?" Here's m8e on the 'Mistress' thread quoting his famous friends again. I'm sure he just means 'amphetamine'. Of course, Winston Churchill fought the war on 'morans'(after his friend and quack Dr. Moran). They were dished out like smarties in both World Wars. Highly affected and complacent tittle tattle. And factually wrong. |
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Derradah
Rank: Toyah This message was updated on 3/9/2006 5:02:56 AM by Derradah |
An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/9/2006 4:53:35 AM quote:quote: Since my earlier contributions to this thread I have been sitting back and watching things develop.These early quotes from m8e indicate something which I don't quite understand. If he's so keen on his cutting edge theorists, why is he so stultifyingly committed to sabotaging the Mitton threads as experiment. It is clear that at the heart of this matter is the need to emphasize that the London writers who have been mentioned are codifying their texts in some way. The last few postings which have discussed both Stewart Home and Iain Sinclair have quite convincingly argued that their writings have in a coded manner, replied to the Mitton text as he has presented it in his novel. There would appear to be good evidence for this. M8e should therefore argue against this evidence but seemingly is unable to do so. If this continues his contributions are futile and constitute the actions of a boorish idiot. Much scientific investigation is by necessity tedious and requiring attention to minutiae or in this case textual complexity. The immediate phenomenon under investigation, it seems, is the sudden appearance ( in terms of this particular thread - as text) of this play at the Crescent theatre that must obviously feature Mad Sir Jack Mytton at a point in our discourse when the very same had just been mentioned. This is of course a very odd but interesting coincidence and would therefore be considered as part of a pattern if it is placed next to all the other acausal phenomena that have supposedly happened.This is what we are examining and itself may be considered 'text'. The theory under question is therefore that Charlie Mitton is a conduit for these synchronicities and and that this may or may not be called a strange faculty. I'm open to all possibilities and believe that at this point we have very strong evidence. It's just that the evidence exists in different texts and these texts may include both the fictional and non-fictional discourse of the contributors. All of the people that have contributed to this site are to greater and lesser degrees involved in this and I am therefore exasperated by m8e's continual attempts to break this code by trying to expose the people behind the names. He is, by the rules of the experiment, breaking this code and therefore sabotaging the experiment.I can only conclude that this is being done for egotistical reasons. Anyway all of the earlier contributors are invited to reply to these propsitions so that an open forum might take place. In the meantime I would suggest a visit to the Crescent theatre this weekend to see the Sitwell work involving the name of Mad Sir Jack actually being performed. We could all meet on Saturday night in the foyer about a quarter of an hour before the performance begins but one of the rules of our experiment is that we do not speak. I look forward to seeing you there. |
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H.J.
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An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/9/2006 7:20:55 AM m8es a prat then and a codebreaker.worse still. |
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trystero
Rank: Toyah This message was updated on 3/9/2006 10:18:20 AM by trystero |
English Eccentrics - the opera
replied on: 3/9/2006 10:15:28 AM Go to p.24 of the 'Lord Charles Mitton' thread and you will find out what the Tristero really means. .......Or what trystero means. I've just read this after reaching p.237(!) of 'Faithfull' by Marianne Faithfull: "...I was the character in the song. You have to be careful what you write because a song is a gateway, and whatever it is you've summoned up may come through." |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy |
An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/9/2006 12:55:37 PM I see our old friend Sinclair is on The Culture Show tonight, discussing the work of Alan Moore (7.00 BBC2, repeated at 11.20). |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy |
An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/9/2006 1:02:01 PM quote:quote:quote: Here we go again - "Matey this, Matey that, Matey blah boring blah..." People are going to start thinking you're obsessed with me if you're not careful Chas. |
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H.J.
This message was updated on 3/9/2006 1:32:00 PM by H.J. |
An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/9/2006 1:07:58 PM quote: Intellectual ears the ground.That just might be interesting. I'd like to see Sinclair in the flesh. As for all this getting personal he's taking the fun out of it. Shut up Mate. |
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Boffin
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An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/9/2006 2:38:31 PM quote: Since my last posting I have been trying to make head or tail of this chatarea website situation in order to disinterestedly analyse whether there may have been acausal psychic phenomena at work. It has meant an exhaustive appraisal of the work of Mr. Sinclair. So it is indeed synchronous that he should be appearing on television this evening. So I suggest that you all watch it so that we all might learn something particularly as one of his disciples, Alan Moore is under discussion and Moore himself has made noises about the so-called 'occult'. Firstly though I have discovered that the most influential piece of Sinclair's back catalogue goes back as far as 1974 when he produced his 'Lud Heat' volume. It is fair to say that he laid his cards down firmly on the table in those days and there was none of this post-modern game playing. I found this volume of much interest in relation to this project we are now in the midst of. In 'Nicholas Hawksmoor, His Churches', Sinclair clearly states that the architect Hawksmoor wrote a code into the design and construction of his churches. He says that 'the stones once set up traffic with the enemy'.'A triangle' 'and a pentacle-star' are formed. We are informed that the churches rest upon 'two major sources of occult power'. The British Museum and The Greenwich Observatory. It is quite clear that Sinclair believed at that point this dark stuff and he was sure that Hawksmoor had worked 'a code into these buildings' 'templates of meaning' and 'bands of continuing ritual'. It is therfore very possible to imagine that in his later writing he has intended to do the same thing. The intention of the Mittonists, I believe is to endorse this in the only way possible. That is by invoking magick itself through synchronicity, fired up as they are on the sulphurous prose of the London 'magus'. The big question for me as a scientist, is to ask whether this project has anything to offer in terms of phenomena to our community. I must answer with a resounding YES. There are myriad examples of very tightly constructed geometries and I agree with others on the thread that at this point m8e is becoming a bore.The contributors themselves have had to use a code and their real identities are irrelevant. What we are trying to establish is whether these geometries hold water. For the moment I shall say no more but perhaps we shall rub shoulders with each other at the theatre to witness an appearance of 'Mad Sir Jack'. |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 3/10/2006 2:38:44 AM by Barriminge |
English Eccentrics - the opera
replied on: 3/9/2006 4:04:02 PM quote: I am reminded of a quote from 'Radon Daughters: "..... the phallocentric way certain authors construct their own force fields, pressing innocent civilians into adopting the characteristics of their fictional prototypes. A very dodgy form of predestination" The Tristero is of course something from 'The Crying of Lot 49' by Thomas Pynchon which discusses the process of entropy and how Oedipa Maas tries to escape it and how different people react to the human condition in the face of it. The synchronicity of Tristero/Trystero and the odd and tragic concurrence of Mitty's life story and the relevance of the number 49 therein, makes its appearance in the title of the novel, doubly apposite. But then it's thrice strange that there is someone called Trystero out there to field the ACOP and take it into a different trajectory. |
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Barriminge
Rank: Jasper This message was updated on 3/10/2006 3:06:00 AM by Barriminge |
An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/10/2006 3:02:46 AM quote: In the t.v. programme 'Time' this week the presenter mentioned the term 'mitochondria' which has become relevant to us. He was saying how mitochondria were free radicals (in the scientific sense) and were instrumental in the process which caused ageing. I have also read that they were instrumental in the process which caused the transformation from unicellular to multicellular organisms in evolution. They must therefore represent a 'coincidence of contrarieties' and therefore, by coincidence, echo our Blakean perspective. Dr. Boffin must therefore be struck by that amazing ACOP where Mitty went into a public library and found a review of the book 'In Search of Mitochondria' which not only reminded him of his own name but was written by one 'Nick Lane'. 'Nicholas Lane' is of course the name given to Martin Stone in Sinclair's wider text. Martin, in turn, is fond of reminding people that he was in for the job with the Rolling Stones on the death of Brian Jones. Funny that, coz that was the night that the premiere of the film on Brian, 'Stoned', was to take place in nowhere other than Brum.Even Matey was to throw his oar in by recognizing that the term 'mitochondria' appears in his darling Nick Land's text. And then there is the odd similarity of 'Lane' and 'Land'. The plot thickens in our ACOP strewn narrative. What's up, Doc? |
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Derradah
Rank: Toyah |
An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/10/2006 3:18:18 AM And then of course, Barri, they are carried only by the female line.It is therefore interesting to remark how the 'lost mothers'(through adoption) of Mitty, Brian Catling and Stewart Home have been central to the most telling of the synchromeshes. It is as though they were making their presence felt through synchronicity. It was Peter Whitehead that said that 'coincidence is reincarnation' and this phenomenon would, by this 'metalogic', seem to bear it out. It is very possible that Sinclair's technique which employs so much schardenfreude is intended to incite its own opposite. This may be discerned in his portrayal of Driffield, Peter Whitehead and of course our own 'Ketamine Kreeps'. |
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Gravy Hole
Rank: Oddie |
An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/10/2006 9:55:08 AM quote: My word, doesn't Sinclair look remarkably like Jonathan Ross? If you missed it last night, you can see an extended version of the interview with Alan Moore on the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/index.shtml?id=culture_show |
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trystero
Rank: Toyah |
Alan Moores' insprirations
replied on: 3/10/2006 10:37:41 AM Interestingly, in the section on Alan Moores' inspirations the BBC website Watch Again feature edits out two. Neither 'John Dee' or the 'Philosophers of Magick' appear although I explicitly remember Moore mentioning both. Why the omission? |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy |
Alan Moores' insprirations
replied on: 3/10/2006 3:43:06 PM quote: Indeed. John Dee and "Magick" are clearly of serious interest to Moore - witness the occasion when he turned-up at Sinclair's house to walk to Mortlake with him, equipped with cabbalistic treatises, angelic tables, and a scrying mirror! - "The full Harry Price away-day kit," as Sinclair describes it. (Coincidentally, trystero, Sinclair's account of this walk with Moore in "Liquid City" includes, and is actually prefaced by, a quote from Thomas Pynchon) BTW, is Patrick Moore really his uncle, or was that just a joke? |
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m8e
Rank: Ozzy |
An absolutly brand new Mitton thread
replied on: 3/10/2006 3:47:51 PM quote: Just call me Turing. |
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