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Boffin	M8e replied on: 1/30/2007 1:38:31 PM quote: Biting rooks and writing books are surely one and the same. I once saw that Ian Sinclair bite a rook, a great big chunk he took out of it too before it pecked him in the eye, sqwarked "twenty three" and flew off to Ipswich carrying a small ACOP in it's claws. Questions of self-similarity and sensitivity to initial conditions seem to be qualities of 'strange attractors' which have some relevance to these BINS threads. The letter 'K' does seem to have had some relevance to earthly physics especially in the case of m8e but '23' does seem to have produced itself in seemingly relevant places even on a cosmic scale. I noticed in my copy of 'The Whole Shebang' that an Irish bishop has been of the opinion that the universe was created on the night before the 23rd October 4004, as if to form an asymmetry with the Mayan prediction of the earth finishing on 23rd December 2012. Although both events seem unlikely they both seem to give weight to the 23 Enigma.Ferris does tell us that: "As such surveys continue, its possible even larger levels of hierachy will be found. Certainly there is displayed a self-similarity on many spacial scales.As the physicist Philip Morrison of Mit points out, ' if we span the universe from nuclear to intergaqlactic dimensions we encounter a two-beat rhythm. Areas of emptiness - the voids between the nucleus and the electron shell of the atom, between stars and their planets, between galaxy clusters and so forth - are interspersed with high density regions, like atomic nuclei, molecules in crystals and galaxy clusters and walls." Pp.155/156. It may be that 23s replicate in ways that we don't understand.Anyway I've learnt that it was originated by the Beat writer William S. Burroughs with whom Sinclair communicated when he was a callow youth.
Boffin This message was updated on 1/30/2007 4:58:10 PM by Boffin	M8e replied on: 1/30/2007 4:52:12 PM On further scouting through the Ferris book I found that in a chapter on dark matter, an x-ray image of a gaggle of galaxies called NGC2300 had been a significant landmark in leading up to observations which called the conventionally accepted 'cosmological principle' into question and which eventually led to the work of Alan Dressler and others who posited the idea of something called the 'Great Attractor'. The existence of the G.A. and dark matter throw uo some important questions eg. whether the dark matter might consist of baryons forinstance or perhaps neutrinos. And coincidentally it was Wolfgang Pauli who first theorized the existence of the neutrino long before it was first observed and he was the man who worked with C.G. Jung on synchronicity so there's a connection. Strangely enough then that we learn that a significant observation of neutrinos from an exploding star was made on February 23rd 1987. What's more on p.156 the relevant question of self-similarity is raised and how fractal geometry plays a role. The Koch curve, due to work by Felix Hausdorff and later Benoit Mendelbrot, has been said to have fractal dimension and how like our coastline,we might see it as of infinite length within a finite area, a bit like a computer generated web thread displaying ACOPs. Robert Osserman in 'The Poetry of the Universe told how the fractal dimension of the Koch curve relates also to the cosmological phemenon of the 'Great Attractor'. The fractal geometry of the galaxies is said by Ferris tio be 1.23 dimensions which is very close to the Koch curve.These findings would seem to represent anomalies acaualities etc. which scientists and mathematicians find difficult to accommodate with accepted paradigms. Mandelbrot meanwhile related these self-replicating structures to such things as cloud formations and quite aptly for ourselves to the shapes within a tree. Root, branch and leaf formations replicate a forked geometrical shape which one might suppose could replicate ad infinitum. On page 166 of 'Shebang' evidence is detailed concerning the discoveries of quantum fluctuations in deepest space and relates to Dressler and his work on the ' Great Attractor'. We learn that on April 23rd 1992 there was evidence from the COBE satellite which was said by Michael Turner of the University of Chicago to be the Holy Grail of cosmology and was equally lauded by Stephen Hawking as ' the scientific discovery of the century - if not all time'. It was about how 'cosmic structure formation... resulted from random quantum flux, the smallest phenomenon in nature' (p.167). There are implications here for the Bins thesis which are of some magnitude if we collapse them with 10 to the power of 23 molecules of gas quoted by F.David Peat in his book on synchronicity and Penrose's quoting of 10 to the 10 to the 23 chance of a 'Creator' finding the spot in phase space that would accommodate a universe or the 23 chromosomes from the female and 23 from the male that forms the basic structure of that weird phenomenon of self-reflexive life itself. So, yes, Sinclair with his connection to Burroughs who kicked of the '23'Enigma should, I think, be interested.
Rowley-Russ Rank: Toyah	M8e replied on: 1/31/2007 5:31:34 AM All very well and good, but it doesn't tell us much about woodchucks or monkey seed kickin'.
m8e Rank: Ozzy	M8e replied on: 1/31/2007 4:08:28 PM quote: Christ almighty, you start one thread about him and he thinks he's Deep Thought. Don't let this go to your head. Actually it was more a matter of too much alcohol having gone to my head which caused me to ask for more questions. Best just forget about it. This clearly isn't the place for intelligent questions.
Rowley-Russ Rank: Toyah	M8e replied on: 1/31/2007 4:19:22 PM My last post applies to the above too.
m8e Rank: Ozzy This message was updated on 1/31/2007 6:21:02 PM by m8e	M8e replied on: 1/31/2007 6:05:21 PM quote: We learn that on April 23rd 1992 there was evidence from the COBE satellite which was said by Michael Turner of the University of Chicago to be the Holy Grail of cosmology and was equally lauded by Stephen Hawking as ' the scientific discovery of the century - if not all time'. It was about how 'cosmic structure formation... resulted from random quantum flux, the smallest phenomenon in nature' (p.167). There are implications here for the Bins thesis which are of some magnitude if we collapse them with 10 to the power of 23 molecules of gas quoted by F.David Peat in his book on synchronicity and Penrose's quoting of 10 to the 10 to the 23 chance of a 'Creator' finding the spot in phase space that would accommodate a universe or the 23 chromosomes from the female and 23 from the male that forms the basic structure of that weird phenomenon of self-reflexive life itself. So, yes, Sinclair with his connection to Burroughs who kicked of the '23'Enigma should, I think, be interested. Some other people who were interested in synchronicity and the 23 Enigma were the rave collective Spiral Tribe. In his brilliant history of rave culture, "Energy Flash," Simon Reynolds gives the following account of meeting them - "I first met Spiral Tribe a few months prior to Castlemorton. Within minutes, I'm informed that I'm already part of the cosmic 'spiral.' Synchronicity is at work: my T-shirt, of sampler-wielding cyber-punks The Young Gods, happens to have a luminous spiral in the middle. What's more, there are pictures of bees on the sleeves, which echo a recent Spiral Tribe rave at a farm, where a hive was knocked over, unleashing a vast cloud of bees. Even more synchronistically, the farm was in Hertfordshire, a county with which the Tribe claim a 'special connection,' and where I just so happen to have spent my childhood. The Tribe grin like maniacs, each coincidence confirming their mystical worldview. A week after the squat-party, I get the chance to interrogate Spiral Tribe in the aftermath of another event, this time at a derelict pub. On the wall, someone has aerosol-sprayed a pentogram with the number 23 in one corner. The uncanny power and alleged omnipresence of the number 23 is one of a motley array of mystical beliefs to which the Spirals subscribe. All Spiral Tribe phone lines contain the number. And Castlemorton kicked off on 23 May. '23 is gonna slap you in the face, freak you out, it'll really start to make you doubt your security in what you know,' the Tribe's spokesman warns me, promising that I'll start seeing the number all over the place. (I don't)" Reynolds then goes on to mention that some of the Spirals eventually settled in Paris, where they founded the Network 23 record label, however (quote) - "...others in the Spiral milieu succumbed to drug abuse, becoming serious psychonauts (in the Tribal worldview, LSD and ketamine had long been regarded as altogether more hardcore than 'fluffy' Ecstasy), junkies, crackheads, or just members of 'the Brew Crew.'" For more on Spiral Tribe and Network 23, go to their excellent MySpace site.
Boffin	M8e replied on: 2/1/2007 2:44:15 PM And just by chance I was watching TV today and Aubrey Manning was discussing how the earth tilts on its axis and how the fact was so very important to our very existence. It is of course of the order of 23 degrees. i don't know what my colleagues in the scientific community would make of it but the number did recur so much in the Ferris book that I got the idea that the author himself must have thought it a little perculiar.
H.J.	M8e replied on: 2/2/2007 1:22:29 PM quote: And just by chance I was watching TV today and Aubrey Manning was discussing how the earth tilts on its axis and how the fact was so very important to our very existence. It is of course of the order of 23 degrees. i don't know what my colleagues in the scientific community would make of it but the number did recur so much in the Ferris book that I got the idea that the author himself must have thought it a little perculiar. Educational stuff aint it? Not exactly navel fluff ramblings. At least some of it.
m8e Rank: Ozzy This message was updated on 2/2/2007 9:38:13 PM by m8e	M8e replied on: 2/2/2007 9:27:10 PM Coincidentally, Reynolds also writes in Energy Flash about an episode of Inspector Morse, which just so happens to have been repeated on ITV today! This is what he has to say about the episode - "By the end of the late nineties, the British media had woken up to the fact that the nation contained two societies: the traditional leisure culture of alcohol and entertainment (spectator sports, TV) versus the more participatory, effusive culture of all-night dancing and Ecstasy. The clash between old Britain and young Britain was dramatized to hilarious effect in an episode of Inspector Morse entitled 'Cherubin and Seraphics.' The plot concerns a series of mysterious teenage deaths which appear to be connected to a new drug called Seraphic. Despite its overt 'just say no' slant, the episode mostly works as an exhilarating advert for Ecstasy culture. (Literally, in so far as Morse's remark to his detective partner - 'It's a rave, Lewis!' - was sampled and used as a soundbite by a pirate station.) 'What's the great attraction?' Morse beseeches the air, as he and Lewis join a convoy of vehicles heading to an illegal rave, their car radio tuned to a pirate station. Yet Morse perceptively notes that hardcore is 'eclectic, a collage, magpie's music'; earlier, listening to a track, the fusty classical buff had been horrified to recognize samples from 'The Hallelujah Chorus - conducted by Sir Adrain Bolt!' Old music, the dead wood of English culture, is vitalized by sampling, funked up by programmed rhythm. The collision of old and new Englands reaches its peak when the detective duo arrive at the stately home where the rave is taking place. Morse drones on about the noble history of the building; inside the kids have transformed it into a futuristic wonderland. For a TV programme, the recreation of rave's sexless bacchanalia is remarkably convincing. Sure, the crooked lab researcher responsible for the Seraphic drug gets his comeuppance; fleeing the rave he crashes his car into a tree and dies. But the episode ends by allowing the sixteen-year-old girlfriend of one Seraphic casualty to utter a paean to Ecstasy: 'You love everyone in the world, you want to touch everyone and tell them you love them.' And the 'just say no' message is utterly subverted when it is revealed that the teenagers didn't kill themselves because the drug unbalanced their minds; rather, having glimpsed heaven-on-earth, they decided that returning to reality would be too much of a comedown. Who wouldn't want to give E a try after that? And who would possibly side with decrepit Morse, with his booze and classical CDs, against the shiny happy people of Generation E?" Reynolds wrote Energy Flash in the late 90s, since when, of course, the shiny happy utopian idealism of Generation E has completely disappeared and the traditional booze-based leisure culture has reasserted itself with a vengeance. It's enough to drive you to drink.
Barriminge Rank: Jasper	M8e replied on: 2/4/2007 2:33:08 PM And the Stage closed down on the 23rd December to become the'Yardbird Jazz Club'. Wall to wall Charlie Parker instead eh!
Elgin	M8e replied on: 2/7/2007 3:45:07 PM quote: And the Stage closed down on the 23rd December to become the'Yardbird Jazz Club'. Wall to wall Charlie Parker instead eh! Jazz is for grown-ups now but is it m8e's cup of tea. Isn't he the guy that goes for Napalm Death and all kinds of meltdown. Thing is they nothing about jazz these people. It's a new kind of oneupmanship. Still, must carry on.
Elgin	M8e replied on: 2/7/2007 3:47:24 PM Must truck on.
m8e Rank: Ozzy	M8e replied on: 2/8/2007 3:14:49 PM quote: Jazz is for grown-ups now but is it m8e's cup of tea. Isn't he the guy that goes for Napalm Death and all kinds of meltdown. Thing is they nothing about jazz these people. It's a new kind of oneupmanship. Still, must carry on. Funny you should mention jazz, as I've recently been watching a lot of amazing jazz performances on YouTube - classic stuff from the likes of John Coltrane and Miles Davis, plus the incredible jazz-rock fusion of the Mahavishnu Orchestra. Best of all, though, are the clips of Oscar Peterson in full flight. When he opens-up the throttle on tunes such as "The Theme" and Sweet Georgia Brown, he rocks-out harder than a metal band, yet still somehow manages to make his jaw-dropping virtuosity seem almost effortless. Incredible stuff - or as someone has posted about the Sweet Georgia Brown clip: "This is fuckin' nuts!!!" Was lucky enough to see the great man in concert at Birmingham Town Hall many years ago, and it remains one of the most memorable musical experiences of my life. Almost as good as Napalm Death.
Rowley-Russ Rank: Toyah	M8e replied on: 2/8/2007 4:09:34 PM But was he as good as Golden Earring? Obviously I would assume not but confirmation would be appreciated.
m8e Rank: Ozzy	M8e replied on: 2/8/2007 7:01:38 PM quote: But was he as good as Golden Earring? Obviously I would assume not but confirmation would be appreciated. Apart from when the drummer was catapulted over his drum kit and almost landed in the audience, Golden Earring were rubbish. I only went to see them because Lynyrd Skynyrd were supporting them. Should have been the other way round.
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